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1. Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 17:11:30 JST Iska

   okay just rebooted
   it was so bad that it couldn't keep up with TTY

   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 17:11:29 JST pistolero

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     > rebooted
     
     who does that
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   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 17:11:44 JST pistolero

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     @iska
     
     :woman: "Who reboots?"
     :cat: "Whore boots."
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   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 17:30:25 JST pistolero

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     @iska They don't exist. These cosmic masons are just processes that you haven't kill -9'd yet.
   • m0xEE (m0xee@social.librem.one)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 17:30:25 JST m0xEE

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     @p @iska
     One day you still have to do it — only to realise that your file system remained broken for at least three months and is now beyond being repairable 😱

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   • Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 17:30:27 JST Iska

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     @p@fsebugoutzone.org cosmic masons force me sometimes :cirno_cry:

   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 18:10:30 JST pistolero

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     @iska I've got ECC in basically nothing, but airflow matters for most systems.
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   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 18:10:32 JST pistolero

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     > what corrupts the memory and makes 2-second outages then
     
     Okay, that's a thing, that sounds like a problem. What's the temperature like on the RAM chips? dmesg? And you're sure it's corrupt memory?
   • Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 18:10:32 JST Iska

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     @p@fsebugoutzone.org my desktop is rebooted so no longer has the problem, the server already uses ECC memory (and will have chasis airflow, which would be more important for the VRMs)

   • Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 18:10:34 JST Iska

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     @p@fsebugoutzone.org what corrupts the memory and makes 2-second outages then :cat:will have to shutdown to put the server from under my desk into a chasis and upgrade the ram

   • reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 18:16:46 JST reeeeeelman

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     @p @iska @m0xee BTRFS was *supposed* to be Linux's answer to ZFS. As far as I am aware it still has not succeeded in this goal.
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   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 18:16:47 JST pistolero

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     @iska @m0xee I'd rather have a thing that doesn't break than a thing that has some unidentifiable benefits but breaks all the time.
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 18:16:48 JST pistolero

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     @m0xee @iska This is exactly why I don't run btrfs.
   • Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Friday, 14-Jun-2024 18:16:48 JST Iska

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     @p@fsebugoutzone.org @m0xee@social.librem.one you reminded me to do a btrfs snapshot

   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 03:58:26 JST pistolero

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     @realman543 @iska @m0xee One of these days I either going to port fossil to non-FUSE Linux or I'm going to get the fuck out of Unix entirely.
   • reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 03:58:26 JST reeeeeelman

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     @p @iska @m0xee If you didn't mind being hacky you could use ZFS on Linux and use the 9p protocol to achieve basically the same functionality.
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   • reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 05:46:52 JST reeeeeelman

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     @phnt @iska @p @m0xee While I support BSD supremacy, ZFS-on-Linux is a thing. I just bake it straight into my kernel these days, but supposedly it can be run as a kernel module.
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   • Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 05:46:54 JST Phantasm

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     @realman543 @iska @p @m0xee Yeah, on FreeBSD without much hassle. Canonical gave up on it and if you want support for stability issues on RHEL, you must not run a tainted kernel, which obviously isn't possible because ZFS is out-of-tree. If you need support and ZFS, you can only go to Oracle or iX Systems (TrueNAS).
   • Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 05:46:55 JST Phantasm

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     @realman543 @iska @p @m0xee It will never be the Linux's answer to ZFS, because Oracle realized they can make more money by selling ZFS boxes. SUSE isn't big enough to make it happen.
     
     One thing that BTRFS does better is online deduplication, however almost no tooling does it.
   • reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 05:46:55 JST reeeeeelman

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     @phnt @iska @p @m0xee >selling ZFS boxes
     It can be used for free?
   • reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 05:50:39 JST reeeeeelman

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     @p @iska @m0xee ZFS is good. :columbo_smug:
     
     While I admittedly don't know much about the fossil file system it's manpage says it has active/archive/snapshot. And feeds data via TCP. If you use 9p with some hacky workarounds in a C (or perhaps shell) script it sounds like you could get basically that functionality.
     
     ZFS could act as active and snapshot, and if you make a new or nested volume you could archive as well. Though TBH I wouldn't recommend archiving on the same disk, but that's me.
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   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 05:50:40 JST pistolero

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     @realman543 @iska @m0xee
     
     > you could use ZFS
     
     What the fuck did you just call me?
     
     > achieve basically the same functionality.
     
     Not remotely.
   • Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 05:50:58 JST Iska

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     @p@fsebugoutzone.org @realman543@annihilation.social @m0xee@social.librem.one every day I yearn for the latter :darkness:

   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 05:51:01 JST pistolero

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     @iska @m0xee @realman543 :9front:
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   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 05:52:26 JST pistolero

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     @realman543 @iska @m0xee
     
     > ZFS is good. :columbo_smug:
     
     I have seen it. It is a complete shit design. Even if they fixed the Linux bugs, there's no way to fix the rest without a complete redesign. It is probably better if we don't spend all day on arguing ZFS again, see my previous remarks about ZFS; I can (and have) spent days on this before. I do not like ZFS.
     
     > Well I admittedly don't know much about the fossil file system it's manpage says it has active/archive/snapshot.
     
     "Has a few similar features" does not mean it's similar; I have a rifle, you're handing me a blunderbuss. fossil doesn't try to be its own RAID array, for example. Snapshots are achieved by means of a Merkle tree rather than duplicate copies, so you can clone an entire fossil FS by giving it the same root score as the one you want to duplicate, and this takes less than a second, which is why I lost less than a day of work when I hosed my filesystem: I used flfmt with the last known-good root score, and the entire system was back. I type `history $filename` and I get every change made to that file, and I can type this as any user: I don't need to be `root`.
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   •  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 23:01:25 JST 

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     @p @realman543 @iska @m0xee >I'm going to get the fuck out of Unix entirely.
     Come home white man.
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   •  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 23:08:57 JST 

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     @p @realman543 @iska @m0xee I'm not sure chog9 even has a sound subsystem.
   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 23:08:59 JST pistolero

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     @mint @iska @m0xee @realman543 I don't know what OS makes that noise but Plan 9 makes no noise when it boots.
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   • pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Monday, 17-Jun-2024 08:09:09 JST pistolero

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     @mint @iska @m0xee @realman543 It does, and it is released
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