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In celebration of Prude Pride Month, here is a wholesome garden from Dunvegan Castle. Perfect for a small parade walk. Cannot fail to smile here. I am there in spirit.
Thoughts, @FeartnTired?
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@sim @FeartnTired
Escaping the concern for pleasing people seems to be one of the paths to wisdom?
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@sim @FeartnTired
Indeed, very true. The ideas of balance and proportion are central to wisdom.
The Buddhists talks about the "middle path" which is a similar idea.
Navigating down the middle of the inevitable human false dichotomies...
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@amerika @FeartnTired This is the moderate viewpoint too, although I confess that it does not please those seeking the outer paths. I don't think it pleases many people to be a moderate.
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@sim @FeartnTired
Appetitive stuff reflects appetites and desires.
It really depends on how the stuff is used...
Sex can be wholesome; promiscuity and manipulation are not.
Wholesome means functional and healthy stuff, so it is not as exciting as the appetitive stuff on the surface.
Plato refers to philosophy as the pursuit of wisdom, and I see wisdom as the ultimate wholesomeness (and evasive at times).
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@amerika @FeartnTired That is most true.
When you think about it, that would include justice and temperance. I think those are wholesome too. We have much to choose from to show what is wholesome.
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@sim @FeartnTired
Probably granular. I distinguish between art and entertainment although there is overlap.
For example, DEICIDE is more on the art side of the spectrum the CANNIBAL CORPSE or PANTERA (eww).
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@amerika @FeartnTired
Like, appetitive stuff is things like food, sex, maybe dreams for sleep? Maybe entertainment for a distraction?
Transcendent stuff is closer to the wholesome stuff we need... could be philosophy, some art, family?
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@amerika @FeartnTired Now I'm curious about how we categorise things in this regard.
Like where would we place entertainment or paintings?
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@amerika @FeartnTired I think the wholesome stuff can be exciting too.
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@sim @FeartnTired
It is a different kind of exciting.
Appetitive stuff is surface exciting.
The wholesome stuff is appealing at a level closer to transcendence.
Most of what people obsess about is a distraction/deflection from what they need, not a fulfillment of it.
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@amerika @FeartnTired Plus I don't think we celebrate all that is wholesome and good enough!
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@sim @FeartnTired
People keep looking for excitement, but it lets them down.
The wholesome lets people get over their desires and get on to real life.
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@sim @FeartnTired
I think I can get onboard with Prude Pride. Sex is another addiction, and sexing stuff up is more manipulation.
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@amerika It would seem so. I think that I would prefer to seek wisdom than to appease people, especially when I don't think they can be pleased or when they demand full compliance with their viewpoint. It is never enough.