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1. Oaghaji (oaghaji@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:03:48 JST Oaghaji
   I find the whole "Street Fighter Clone" thing hilarious cause Street Fighter ain't original and didn't invent the Fighting Game Genre. The First Street Fighter Game from 1987 is a "Rip Off" of the 80s Fighting Games that predate it Karate Champ, Yie Ar Kung Fu and Punch-Out.
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   • Oaghaji (oaghaji@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:03:45 JST Oaghaji

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     Now keep in mind this isn't to put down Street Fighter. This is to show folks that there are Fighting Games that predate Street Fighter especially in the Gameplay Mechanics. So the "Street Fighter Clone" statement needs to be thrown out the window for good.
   • Oaghaji (oaghaji@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:03:46 JST Oaghaji

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     You also got Star And Fan from Yie Ar Kung Fu that also predate Chun Li.
   • Oaghaji (oaghaji@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:03:46 JST Oaghaji

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     You also got the 1976 Heavyweight Champ created by Sega in 1976 and Warrior created by Vectorbeam in 1979.
   • Oaghaji (oaghaji@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:03:47 JST Oaghaji

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     Street Fighter didn't invent the Combo System either. The Combo System was introduced to Fighting Games in the 1985 Arcade Fighting Game Hokuha Syourin Hiryū No Ken aka Shanghai Kid. It also introduced the ability to perform Special Moves.
   • Oaghaji (oaghaji@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:03:47 JST Oaghaji

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     Street Fighter wasn't the first to introduce Female Characters to Fighting Games either. The 1985 Arcade Onna Sanshirō Typhoon Gal (Onna Sanshirou Typhoon Gal) did it first and it also introduced Grappling and Throws to Fighting Games as well.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:04:00 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Moon
     @Moon @Oaghaji pretty much
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:04:01 JST Moon

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     @Oaghaji I'm okay with calling later games street fighter clones because Street Fighter II consolidated and transcended everything good that came before it and everything after it really was a reaction to it specifically.
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:04:15 JST Moon

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     @Oaghaji I really appreciate the knowledge and insight on these niche topics that you bring to the server.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:06:58 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Oaghaji Yie Ar Kung-Fu is the early one I'm familiar with. I had this in my multicart as a young child
   • Oaghaji (oaghaji@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:09:11 JST Oaghaji

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     • Moon
     Anytime dude 👍🏾. It's my pleasure.
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   • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:14:10 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:

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     @coolboymew@shitposter.club @Oaghaji@shitposter.club Yea I played it too early on, but i would only call it a fighting game in the classic sense with a very arched eyebrow. No one played it vs another person - it was always more like an arcade beatem up with a weird control scheme here.

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   • Oaghaji (oaghaji@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:16:22 JST Oaghaji

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     I disagree. The original Street Fighter II The World Warrior is just as flawed if not more so than the ones that came before it. The Updates improve it especially Super Street Fighter II X aka Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Karate Champ and Yie Ar Kung Fu are fun. Not to mention it's all subjective at the end of the day.
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   • :letter_g:oalkeeper :yotsuba_happy: (goalkeeper@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:16:23 JST :letter_g:oalkeeper :yotsuba_happy:

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     The games are unplayable in comparison. SFII was that good. The older titles couldn't even get the hitboxes right.
   • :letter_g:oalkeeper :yotsuba_happy: (goalkeeper@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:16:24 JST :letter_g:oalkeeper :yotsuba_happy:

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     The mechanics of these games were radically different from modern fighting games. Street Fighter 2 tied it all together, improved all the mechanics, and created the formula for what constitutes a fighting game in the modern sense. So unfortunately it's not going anywhere. The vast majority of the games that predated street fighter do not hold up, at all.
   • Oaghaji (oaghaji@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:16:24 JST Oaghaji

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     I disagree. I think these Fighting Games that predate still hold up to this day especially Yie Ar Kung Fu.
   • Oaghaji (oaghaji@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:21:08 JST Oaghaji

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     Yie Ar Kung Fu is a Boss Rush Fighting Game. Where as Karate Champ allows two Players to Fight each other.
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   • just an actual husbear :verified: (guizzy@pleroma.guizzyordi.info)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:26:32 JST just an actual husbear :verified:

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     @coolboymew @Oaghaji In Yie Ar KF you can get far abusing the jumping distance and kicks. Some other fun early ones: Karateka; kind of a fighting game with a story. Made by the Prince of Persia guy, but with all the emphasis on the fighting instead of platforming. Very aesthetic and moody game.
     
     IK and IK(+) on the C64 is a cool one too, and the plus one is even 3 players.
     
     The thing with pre-SF2 fighting games, and what made it so they didn't "take off" the way SF2 did, is that they tend to be strict on attack distance in both ways (both far and near) and so unfun until you learn that positioning game. So if you're too close your attack misses, you see your limb go straight through the opponent, and the game feels floaty and not fun. Or if you're too far your realistically proportioned character's short arm doesn't reach and you don't feel like you can hit anything without basically putting yourself into range of the CPU who seems to knows exactly what distance he can connect at.
     
     SF2 beat that by a) ignoring the near distance; if the attack visually connects, you will hit, and b) using cartoonish characters with long limbs. So beginners can immediately jump in and feel like they're at least hitting something, even if they're losing. Add to that extra dopamine hits through supremely crunchy sound and animations and you have a game that feels very different even though it didn't actually invent all that much.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:26:55 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @guizzy @Oaghaji Right, the multicart also had Karateka I believe. I've gotten far in that once
   • Proud owner of a potato sack :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:35:07 JST Proud owner of a potato sack :flag:

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     @guizzy @Oaghaji @coolboymew may i add that as a beginner/casual i especially love skullgirl's bigband because he has atrociously big reach but also a big hitbox, and even if i'm losing every hit is a rimshot, every move is stylish, it's like i'm playing an orchestra while fighting, it's like i get to knock person out and do taunt just in time - play fucking giant bagpipes that are part of my jazzband cyborg body, and then transform myself into a fucking TUBA to ram into my opponent and then just motherfucking go full on jojo TUBA TUBA TUBA TUBA TUBA TUBA on them.
     
     what a rush :bigband:
     
     i wish there were more such cool characters that are stylish as fuck while also not being pure ass to play as.
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 04:40:02 JST Moon

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     @hj @guizzy @Oaghaji @coolboymew I unironically enjoyed playing Dan in Street Fighter IV although I hear they made him a more serious character in later releases.
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   • Chema :verified: (josemariahdz@stereophonic.space)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 07:38:17 JST Chema :verified:

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     @coolboymew @Oaghaji me too!
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 07:38:37 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @JoseMariaHDZ @Oaghaji I had a golden games 260 in 1
   • Oaghaji (oaghaji@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-2023 12:02:05 JST Oaghaji

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     • Moon
     If that's how you feel that's fine. This thread is made to debunk the myth that Street Fighter invented the Fighting Game Genre when it didn't. It only popularized the Genre. Especially the Gameplay Mechanics that were introduced in Fighting Games that predate it. Me personally the "Street Fighter Clone" is just hilarious when Street Fighter especially the First isn't original. I think it should be thrown out the window.
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   • Chema :verified: (josemariahdz@stereophonic.space)'s status on Friday, 24-Feb-2023 09:15:33 JST Chema :verified:

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     @coolboymew @Oaghaji that explains it, i had the exact same! :D that was my childhood <3
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