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1. Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:15:27 JST Moon
   i had to google "fifteen minute city" and the main articles google was boosting was trying to debunk that the apparent sudden push for them is not a conspiracy, which makes me sorta more open to the possibility
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:18:04 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Moon @meso Keep in mind that it's coming from the same people who has suggested having climate lockdowns
     Kenny Blankenship repeated this.
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:18:05 JST Moon

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     @meso yeah i am not even against it and tbh if there's some kind of conspiracy about it isn't even interesting to me, i should probably care because i care about misinfo and it probably is right wing misinfo
   • meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:18:06 JST meso

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     @Moon >The 15-minute city is a residential urban concept in which most daily necessities and services, such as work, shopping, education, healthcare, and leisure, should be located within an easily reachable 15-minute walk or bike ride from any point in the city.
     this is just Europe, Eastern Europe in specific
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:19:15 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Moon @meso I'll also add, I believe Klaus's book outright talks about citizen all in one IDs, and it limiting your purchases due to environmental concerns
     
     All in one IDs are coming to the UK and Europe, because of course
   • Padorozu (dozu@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:50:07 JST Padorozu

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     @Moon Walkable cities have been the norm for most of human civilization but of course these eggheads want to turn it into some simcity LARP.
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   • blaaablaaaa (blaaablaaaa@hermit.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:52:27 JST blaaablaaaa

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     If you have no car and get shut out of any sort of transportation for having bad thoughts what can you do? An open air prison with all your amenities nearby is still a prison. If the leaders were even the slightest bit benevolent or at least neutral with these things yeah it could be good but we know that's not even close to being the case.
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:52:28 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @ciel @meso @ignaloidas @Moon i'm sure that sounds nice, if you've forgotten the left's COVID hysteria already. imagine how smug the spiteful mutants would be if they were able to shut down the bus routes or deny access to anyone whenever they wanted and everyone just had to shut up and take it cause their shithole cities were impossible to drive or own a car in.
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:52:29 JST Moon

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     @ignaloidas @meso there's a lot to like about fifteen minute city concept, but like smeone else mentioned in this thread the wef guy talked in his book about how you could control people's movement.
   • culture terror ✨ sinkuchan (ciel@decept.org)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:52:29 JST culture terror ✨ sinkuchan

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     @Moon @meso @ignaloidas oh my god dude i fucking wish someone was controlling my movement then I might have more than one fucking bus that travels thru my village rather than having to be a wagie to run a car
   • Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:52:30 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @Moon@shitposter.club @meso@asbestos.cafe I don't see how this would lead into the "you will own nothing" stuff. Like, the ability to get your stuff close by is honestly dangerous to a large industry(automakers) that at least in america, has historically steered the ways cities have developed, to their own benefit.

   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:52:31 JST Moon

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     @ignaloidas @meso I think the fear was it was tied into WEF "you will own nothing" thing and the coercive potential of it.
   • Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:52:32 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @meso@asbestos.cafe @Moon@shitposter.club > called 15-minute cities an "international socialist concept"
     
     tbh that's exactly what soviet planners were trying to do at one point. Most cities were actually being planned with this in mind. Mind you, often unsuccessfully, because of other issues, but the attempt and concept was there.

   • meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 01:52:33 JST meso

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     @Moon >Unfounded conspiracy theories about the 15-minute concept theories have flourished, including claims that the model will fine residents for leaving their home districts.[47][48][49] British Conservative Party MP Nick Fletcher called 15-minute cities an "international socialist concept" during a debate in the UK Parliament in February 2023.
     :marseypills:
   • スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z: (skylar@misskey.yandere.love)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 02:21:18 JST スカイラー🎄🇷🇺 :z:

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     @ciel @meso @ignaloidas @Moon the logistical challenges of towing a shit ton of people's cars because you want them to be unable to travel are far greater than to simply leave the buses or trains parked in the depot rather than out running their routes.
     plus in my country, they'd need a massive police escort to avoid getting shot, and when all the cops are busy doing that, everything at all the stores becomes free.
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 02:21:18 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • culture terror ✨ sinkuchan
     @meso @ciel @ignaloidas @Moon @skylar remember buffalo the other month when the snow made everyone loot? Not even because of some protest but because the cops were stuck in the snow?
   • culture terror ✨ sinkuchan (ciel@decept.org)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 02:21:19 JST culture terror ✨ sinkuchan

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     @skylar @meso @ignaloidas @Moon that can already happen. what are you gonna do, untow your car?
   • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 02:24:21 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸

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     • culture terror ✨ sinkuchan
     @skylar @Moon @ciel @ignaloidas @meso https://buffalonews.com/business/local/six-weeks-later-some-buffalo-neighborhoods-still-waiting-for-looted-stores-to-reopen-return-to/article_0453c356-a653-11ed-860c-bb29d8850e0e.html
     Lol lmao they can't even fix the stores because there's a shortage in getting glass haha 😂
   • mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部) (moth_ball@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:08:31 JST mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部)

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     @coolboymew @Moon @meso ID is already connected to banking and social security so what else is there even?
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:08:31 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @moth_ball @Moon @meso Basically imagine a massive unique data farm coming from one single thing
     
     https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/davos-agenda-digital-identity-frameworks/
     
     They want you to use that ID for absolutely everything, it's a complete nightmare in the making
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:10:50 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @meso @Moon not to this level
     
     Basically imagine a massive unique data farm coming from one single thing
     
     https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/davos-agenda-digital-identity-frameworks/
     
     They want you to use that ID for absolutely everything, it's a complete nightmare in the making
   • meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:10:51 JST meso

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     @coolboymew @Moon uhm we already have all in one IDs they list your full name where you were born etc i don't know why this isn't a thing in the US and you guys have like 5 separate things you use as IDs
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:13:18 JST Moon

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     @meso @coolboymew because republicans believe it is a new world order conspiracy plot and democrats don't want as ubiquitous, verifiable and free id because then their arguments about why you shouldn't need an id to vote would be gone
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   • meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:13:23 JST meso

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     @coolboymew @Moon bring back [FEDPOST]
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   • meso (meso@asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:13:32 JST meso

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     @coolboymew @Moon @moth_ball now THAT we don't have but we will :trolldespair:
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:19:27 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @meso @Moon @moth_ball it's pretty scary when you look closely
     
     For now a lot of this is not really tracking or tracked by a bunch of not connected outside firm. But with it, you'll be 100% trackable, especially if they want you to put your ID in your electronics and for signing up to accounts (UK is already talking about this)
     
     They will know everything and nothing will prevent them from turning shit off due to wrong think. They already can do that to some level (Canada Convoy thing with donators having their bank frozen. Oh btw, nothing came from that hearing. Of course it didn't) but they could have absolutely unprecedented China level of controls
     
     And then there's basically a nightmarish amount of fuckery that could go on with any leaks and having your ID spoofed and stolen
     
     I'd like to remind everyone on the fedi that we're absolute undesirable no matter where we are on the political spectrum
   • mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部) (moth_ball@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:21:12 JST mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部)

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     @coolboymew @Moon @meso Gathering personal data was restricted further just recently. The EU privacy laws wpuld have to change a lot to accommodate something that drastic, I think.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:21:12 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @moth_ball @Moon @meso they will pass this anyways
     
     The Green Party in Canada was pushing some schizo shit like this already years ago
     
     >"Stronger privacy protection"
     >ÍD for social networks to combat misinformation
     
     It's complete contrary goals and the retards will go ahead with it anyways
   • :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad: (eiregoat@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:22:57 JST :spinnenrad: Festivegoat :spinnenrad:

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     They did the same in the EU, "privacy protection" comes down to "companies holding data on our tax cattle have to let us control it."
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   • Gabe (gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:29:21 JST Gabe

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     @coolboymew@shitposter.club I'd like to remind everyone on the fedi that we're absolute undesirable no matter where we are on the political spectrumDing! We have a winner!
     People would do well to understand this.
     @meso@asbestos.cafe @Moon@shitposter.club @moth_ball@shitposter.club

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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:40:32 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @moth_ball @Eiregoat @Moon @meso there's no "we'll see", because once it's done, it's done. Also this, even under the best of intentions, the framework to do the most evil shit as easily as possible will be completely in place
   • mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部) (moth_ball@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 03:40:33 JST mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部)

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     @Eiregoat @meso @Moon @coolboymew we'll see
   • mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部) (moth_ball@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Feb-2023 05:02:29 JST mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部)

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     @coolboymew @Eiregoat @Moon @meso sure, but all I can do is setup my life in the meantime
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   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Feb-2023 05:30:46 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @coolboymew @moth_ball @Moon @meso this shit has been documented since at least 2016, it's frustrating that there are so little unaware of it and the dangers of it.
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