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  1. cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 11:58:11 JST cool_boy_mew cool_boy_mew
    • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
    • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
    @miscbrains @picandor exactly, having all this shit in a csv would probably take mbs at best
    In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 11:58:11 JST from shitposter.club permalink
    • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁 (picandor@gameliberty.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 11:59:56 JST Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁 Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
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      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:

      @coolboymew this is why I so ardently defend "piracy" and emulation of legacy games. Abandonware deserves to be at least somewhat maintained.

      I have somewhat of a bias considering my job for 5 years was digitizing and preserving old texts. @miscbrains

      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 11:59:56 JST permalink
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    • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 12:00:50 JST cool_boy_mew cool_boy_mew
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      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      @picandor @miscbrains I completely agree. Piracy, abandonware and all that are doing god's work making all these old things available

      There's probably a serial number csv somewhere, hopefully
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 12:00:50 JST permalink
    • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁 (picandor@gameliberty.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 12:02:29 JST Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁 Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
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      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:

      @coolboymew I give it a month or less before some anon digs it up or makes one. @miscbrains

      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 12:02:29 JST permalink
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    • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:48:10 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      There's a guy in a Discord chat I know who cracks shit for fun. He might or might not have written a keygen for a specific old minicomputer operating system as well.
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:48:10 JST permalink
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    • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:49:04 JST cool_boy_mew cool_boy_mew
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      • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      @PhenomX6 @picandor @miscbrains nice

      But still, billions upon billions of progs if serials are lost
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:49:04 JST permalink
    • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:50:29 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      Don't worry about serials. Worry about the programs themselves being lost. You can crack a serial or tell a program to ignore it.

      Source: try looking into old UNIX software or Japanese computer software and how much was undumped and probably lost.
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:50:29 JST permalink
    • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:53:31 JST cool_boy_mew cool_boy_mew
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      • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      @PhenomX6 @picandor @miscbrains I don't really agree. There's a shitload of programs with very strict lockout without serials and they may as well be "lost" if if they can't easily be unlocked
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:53:31 JST permalink
    • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:53:44 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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      • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      Speaking of preservation nightmares, magnetic tape.

      When the Nintendo Gigaleak happened, people were asking why so much shit was not in the leak like source code and whatnot. Turns out, when Nintendo digitized tapes many of them had tape rot. Al from Bitsavers I heard discuss in a chat about why so much HP software was lost, the QIC tapes they used were shit/stored badly/both and rotted easily.
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:53:44 JST permalink
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    • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:58:03 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      When I mean without serials I mean bypassing copy protection.

      Case in point; FlexLM. A lot of high end and UNIX based software (in particular) used this piece of shit license manager that cracking became a sport with. The idea is that you had to have a file or license server on the network to use software and it was very easy to bust open.

      https://www.eetimes.com/eda-group-circulates-flexlm-hacking-tips/
      https://web.archive.org/web/20120208112719/http://www.woodmann.com/crackz/Flexlm.htm
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 13:58:03 JST permalink

      Attachments


      2. FLEXlm - "Dubious License Management", & SentinelLM / ElanLM.
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    • pretty punisher (netdoll@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:01:50 JST pretty punisher pretty punisher
      in reply to
      • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      @coolboymew @PhenomX6 @miscbrains @picandor tbh by the time serials became commonly used as a method of copy protection, most copy protection used by commercial and shareware programs was simple bordering on braindead, so as long as the programs survive, its not especially difficult or time consuming reviving them (ofc there is good copy protection if you know where to look, but it's a lot rarer than most people think)
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:01:50 JST permalink
    • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:01:50 JST cool_boy_mew cool_boy_mew
      in reply to
      • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      • pretty punisher
      @netdoll @PhenomX6 @picandor @miscbrains yes/no, the issue is that the "solution" is not accessible to everyone
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:01:50 JST permalink
    • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:04:27 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      • pretty punisher
      You'll find stricter copy protection in games and especially high-end UNIX or later on Windows software. I'm talking dongles, FlexLM, or in the case of a few games/smaller dev programs, putting the dox of the purchaser in the copy.

      I've heard the reason Princess Maker for the x68000 is still undumped is because every copy had the purchasers info embedded in it as copy protection. Novell Netware was the same and every copy was "serialized".
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:04:27 JST permalink
    • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:11:28 JST 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
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      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      • pretty punisher
      @netdoll @picandor @miscbrains @coolboymew yep. It works with smaller niche products and higher cost ones, since it's not like with fraps or spinrite where you can get a copy with a throwaway email for not much.

      But it doesn't scale well nor does it work for high demand products where everyone passes around the same copy of fraps (before obs and gpu accelerated capture killed it)
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:11:28 JST permalink
    • pretty punisher (netdoll@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:11:29 JST pretty punisher pretty punisher
      in reply to
      • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁
      • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
      @PhenomX6 @picandor @miscbrains @coolboymew Brings to mind ArcaOS as well
      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:11:29 JST permalink
    • Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: (miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net)'s status on Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:24:11 JST Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn: Miscbrains:beastie::segasaturn:
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      • 🌲Number 1 Pleroma Criminal on XBL 🇵🇱|🇺🇸
      • Christmassy Blake ☃️🎄🎁

      @coolboymew@shitposter.club @PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com @picandor@gameliberty.club Well billions is a bit of a stretch, but ~ low million is probably realistic. The serial number era was moderately small. Serials carried on for longer- but you needed a key server on the other end to auth them for certain games. Code wheels and tell me the x word on page y of the manual were amusing too.

      Not wrong tho, cracking old games is quite a bit easier than trying to unfuck denuvo bullshit or whatever the current nightmare is.

      In conversation Sunday, 19-Feb-2023 14:24:11 JST permalink
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