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@frogzone @smallcircles @jeffcliff

> nuclear doesn't work, its known NOT to work

I am pretty sure that you can use fissile material to heat water to create steam to turn a turbine and that the output of the energy is greater than the energy required to maintain the reaction.

> it requires violence and repression to even get by and it leaves in its wake violence and repression,

Thorium salt reactors are looking more and more plausible and those have, I imagine, none of the problems you want to complain about: they are safer, they use a more abundant element, they require less "THIS IS NOT A PLACE OF HONOR" signage, etc. If you have heard of it and you are ignoring it, or if your first instinct is to try to figure out what's wrong with it or what problems it has, then you should probably examine whether your complaint is with the alleged violence and repression or if your complaint is actually closer to Orwell's observation of some socialists: they don't love the poor, they hate the rich. (As far as I am concerned, if it represents an improvement over the use of uranium or plutonium, it's worth doing.)

> it breeds problems and is totally unworkable in the longterm.

It has been in use for decades; the better part of a century in fact.

Your strategy is unworkable in both the short and long terms. You will not ever shame people into using fewer resources. You cannot. That is what is really unworkable. Complaining has, for millennia, completely failed to result in workable solutions. It just annoys people that are building things.

You can work on making solar power more efficient, easier to manufacture, cheaper, etc., and making the batteries friendlier to whatever environmental goal you have, because there is no sun at night and there is usually no wind either. You can help with thorium salt or cold fusion or any of the other advances that will enable energy. You can build these things but if you try to complain until someone else builds them, you will fail and if you attempt to force them, you should first learn to speak Hindi and then Mandarin and complain in those languages. People fight wars for energy: they are not going to stop using energy just because they hear complaints.

I don't want to argue about nuclear energy, I want to get back to building things. I am happy to share thoughts, but I detest advocacy and if there is anything I hate more than advocacy, it is being advocated *at*. I view it is a sales pitch; until you have adopted my pet issues and my goals are achieved, your ideological sales pitch to save the earth is, like a preacher knocking at my door to save my soul, possibly well-intentioned but at best an interruption from the work that I believe will accomplish my goals. I don't mind talking ideas or philosophy, I like conversations, but I do not want to be advocated at and I don't want to be collateral damage for advocacy.
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