Notices by Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)
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Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 20:16:06 JST 
Jupiter Rowland
@Aral Balkan What I meant is https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte, a fork of https://codeberg.org/streams/streams, in turn a fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork?) of Hubzilla, all by the same creator, @Mike Macgirvin ?️. -
Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 19-Nov-2024 18:01:32 JST
Jupiter Rowland
@Aral Balkan Does it only work with local content on instances with the Mastodon API?
If so, that excludes any and all content from Fediverse instances without the Mastodon API, e.g. Hubzilla, (streams), Forte.
#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #MastodonAPI #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte -
Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Monday, 18-Nov-2024 07:10:05 JST
Jupiter Rowland
@cy The solution for this problem is being worked on right now: nomadic identity via ActivityPub.
Nomadic identity itself is old. It was first implemented in the Fediverse in 2012 on what's Hubzilla today (I am writing to you from Hubzilla, and my Hubzilla channel is nomadic). However, the only two existing stable implementations of nomadic identity both rely on two different versions of a protocol that is not ActivityPub.
So the new thing is the implementation using only ActivityPub, as being worked on by @silverpill (maintainer of Mitra) and the original inventor of nomadic identity, @Mike Macgirvin ?️ (maintainer of the streams repository and Forte). -
Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Aug-2024 07:01:05 JST
Jupiter Rowland
@Mike McCue If you really want to push it to the limit, here are two suggestions.
@Mike Macgirvin 🖥️ has been a Fediverse developer for 14 years. He has created three Fediverse protocols, he has invented nomadic identity, he has created a whole bunch of Fediverse server applications from Mistpark, today known as Friendica, to Hubzilla to the streams repository to Forte most recently, all forked from each other. He currently maintains the latter two.
He's on (streams) himself, but his channel is still an "old school" one without FEP-ef61 implemented and without its DID scheme.
Also, there is @silverpill, the creator and maintainer of Mitra. Apart from (streams) and Forte, Mitra is the only other Fediverse project that's working on implementing FEP-ef61 and nomadic identity via ActivityPub. Of course, he's on Mitra himself. And unlike (streams), Mitra has switched existing actors to FEP-ef61 on recent versions.
This means that you can not only test Flipboard's compatibility with Mitra, but you can also test Flipboard's compatibility with FEP-ef61 and its DID scheme. Keep in mind, though, that it's still very much a work in progress, and it may change.
Unfortunately, I don't know any (streams) channels with a DID right off the bat that could be interesting for Flipboard. I have two myself, but they're uninteresting.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #FEP_ef61 #Mitra #Streams #(streams) -
Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 00:54:29 JST
Jupiter Rowland
@silverpill I can see your reply, but I can't see your like, and you're among those whose profile picture doesn't arrive here. -
Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Aug-2024 04:44:02 JST
Jupiter Rowland
@Fediverse News
The cat is out of the bag. Mike Macgirvin's family of Fediverse server applications has a new member: Forte which he has forked off his own streams repository some three weeks ago.
The first announcement came in a comment on a post about Friendica with which everything had begun, just three days ago. The same day, the up-until-then still unannounced Forte repository was discovered. Unlike what's in the streams repository, Forte seems to have a name again, and Mike refers to it as a "project".
(streams), as its predecessor is colloquially being referred to, is already one of the most advanced and innovative server applications in the Fediverse. It has the most elaborate set of permission controls as of yet, even surpassing Hubzilla, the younger one of its surviving ancestors. Also, Mike uses it to develop the implementation of nomadic identity, his own invention from as early as 2011, purely via ActivityPub, including FEP-ef61. So (streams) itself is already a pioneering work, and its development is far from done.
And now we have Forte which promises to be even more advanced. There are no specs yet, much less any public instances. And even if it's the latest fork in 14 years of Fediverse development, I guess it's far from being ready for prime time. But seriously, it's a (streams) fork.
#Fediverse #NomadicIdentity #FEP_ef61 #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte -
Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Saturday, 03-Aug-2024 00:38:28 JST
Jupiter Rowland
@silverpill I've just commented on your comment from (streams). Just in case my comment doesn't arrive. -
Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Apr-2023 05:20:28 JST
Jupiter Rowland
@Fred Brooker Not on #Mastodon with #ActivityPub as it is right now.
But the #Zot protocol, created by the #Friendica inventor Mike Macgirvin in 2011, seven years before ActivityPub became a standard, allows for something that's called #NomadicIdentity. In fact, Zot was created specifically for this feature.
Friendica with its #DFRN protocol already allows full account portability between instances on a degree that Mastodon users still think is absolutely impossible, and a Friendica account contains much more data than a Mastodon account.
Nomadic identity goes even further: It lets you have the very same channel on multiple instances at the same time. So you don't move to a new instance, leaving a dead and disconnected account behind. You create a 100% clone of your channel. And that clone will remain a clone, for it's kept in-sync with the original in real-time. And you can have as many clones as possible.
Sounds like utter science-fiction, right? But it's reality.
In 2012, four years before Mastodon, Macgirvin himself forked his own Friendica, ported it to Zot and renamed it Red. It was later renamed #RedMatrix, and when it saw its 1.0 stable release in late 2015, still months before Mastodon, it got its final and current name, #Hubzilla.
If you think it's still born, if you think something like this couldn't possibly have survived: Hubzilla is still around. It is still being developed. Its current version is 8.2 from last month, and 8.3 is being field-tested.
And yes, it still offers nomadic identity while each channel has features which Mastodon users couldn't imagine in their wildest dreams. And all of it is kept in-sync between instances by nomadic identity.
Also: I speak to you from Hubzilla right now. No, I'm not on Mastodon, although this should be clear from how long this post already is. Hubzilla has optional ActivityPub support per channel.
And even Zot itself is advancing. Not long after the launch of Hubzilla, Macgirvin created two forks for the development of Zot/6, #Osada with ActivityPub and #Zap without it. More forks came after Hubzilla had been upgraded to Zot/6 in order to develop Zot/8, #Mistpark2020 and #Roadhouse. All four are EOL now and superseded by #Streams which first saw the light of day last year, and which runs on #Nomad, formerly known as Zot/11, providing better integration of non-nomadic protocols such as ActivityPub. -
Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Apr-2023 05:20:09 JST
Jupiter Rowland
@Z O R A N G R B I C @Fred Brooker @Chris Trottier
Jay Graber in a nutshell:
We don't compete with Mastodon. We're so awesome that Mastodon isn't even competition.
Besides, #Mastodon with #ActivityPub isn't the benchmark. #Bluesky only believes it is because that's all they seem to know. Let them try to do better than #Zot which has featured account portability on every level they could possibly imagine since 2011. -
Jupiter Rowland (jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Apr-2023 05:19:56 JST
Jupiter Rowland
@Fred Brooker It's there. It has been in productive use for longer than Mastodon. So why abandon it in favour of more well-known but inferior technology?
Besides, many other Mastodon users who have heard about it say, yes, we need it. Ask people on mastodon.lol.
If witter.cz should disappear for good without a notice, you're fucked. Your account is locked in on that instance. Have fun starting over from scratch.
Even if witter.cz should announce its shutdown, you can only take so much with you as you move to another instance. You lose all your toots, you lose all your uploaded media, you lose all your followers, at least the one-sided followers whom you don't follow back.
I already have a clone of my channel. If hub.netzgemeinde.eu should go under, I can shrug it off and make the clone my new main without losing anything. And I can make more clones.
However, I can't see nomadic identity come to Mastodon anytime soon. ActivityPub won't introduce it because the W3C committee steering its development has disbanded, and nobody is maintaining it anymore. And Mastodon can't easily be ported to Zot or Nomad.
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