@binkle @noyoushutthefuckupdad I highly recommend reading these essays from this author going by the alias "Son of Waru". He thoroughly analyzes Ted and his followers, and provides the best refutation of Ted that I have come across. He openly points out the logical inconsistencies of Ted, such as the fact that even per-industrial and even pre-agricultural societies had "surrogate activities", and that as long as humans interact with each other, there will always be some form of civilization.