@tyler Usually, but arch has a nice package manager, nice user submitted package repo, nice documentation, always up to date packages, never any major distro version upgrades... Arch just gets out of your way and works. I mean they've done shit like ship a broken version of GRUB before but that was them just importing the latest version of upstream iirc. From the dozen or so times I've ran Arch it works fine for most tasks, I like it