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regardless of the specifics of the civil war I am certain that apprehending people and forcing them to do backbreaking labor for you for the rest of their life without compensation or you will kill them is monstrously evil
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@sun compensation doesn't even matter. what good is payment if you're still a slave?
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@sun i do think most of libshits oppositions to slavery is a total virtue signal
People like hasan who want to import millions of dirt poor low IQ brown people so they can be his uber eats drivers and gardeners would definately have them as his slaves 200 years ago
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If it was anything like Greece, nationality mattered even when someone was a slave. Aristotle talks about how barbarian and native Greek slaves were treated differently.
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@sun @0 @lauralt not sold on this. Roman slavery included Gladiators
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It's not terribly hard to imagine life as a Viking or Roman captive/slave without terrible hardship and suffering, not that it was all nice, but certainly different.
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@0 @lauralt American slavery was worse than slavery in the Roman empire (but not as bad as slavery in the tropical islands or South America)
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@lauralt Hypothetically even if that is true, the particular form that slavery took in the Americas was cruel and unjust. To some degree we are all in bondage to some system against our wishes but some forms are worse than others.
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I didn't say that the masters didn't also profit.
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@lauralt I don't believe anybody was in it for the altruism though.
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Slavery is an improvement for those that are bad at governing themselves.
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@SNEK @0 @lauralt @sun
The "slavery was good actually" is a copium opinion because nobody has been in slavery as it was in today's time.
If we accept that some people will be lower than us then slavery is always an unfair practice. Why give the people that serve you the good shit?
"6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them."
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@SNEK @0 @lauralt okay I just mean that in many places you could sell yourself into and buy yourself out of slavery, rather than being a permanent condition as the result of being considered innately inferior. yeah not uniform though
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@sun @0 @lauralt Sure the system was different and maybe we're comparing oranges and apples. I'm still not buying that American slavery was some sort of specially cruel evil malignant cancer in the history of humanity. I reject that premise because 1) it's the propaganda being shilled and 2) doesn't make sense the slaves wouldn't all leave en mass when given the chance once free if American slavery was the worst thing ever.
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