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1. Richard MacManus (ricmac@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 14:44:37 JST Richard MacManus

   • rabble

   Post from @rabble on why he's chosen to use #Nostr and not #ActivityPub and the #Fediverse. He makes some compelling points. Personally I am not too worried about the server admin parts of his argument (I have enough control, even if I don't control the server), but I agree that this isn't ideal:

   "You can’t use a single fediverse identity with your profile and followers in Peertube, Mobilizon, WriteFreely, and Pixelfed. You need a totally separate account in each one."
   https://njump.me/nevent1qqsfqlx6wpl5267tmnmmjk7v9tzunjvhzav9unc2tjn6k0w82vghprsppamhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5qjxamnwvaz7tmswfhhs7fdv4u8qetjd9kk2mn59ehkuun9dejx2u3wvdhk6qg5waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejqzxrhwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7umhdpjhyefwvdhk6q3qwmr34t36fy03m8hvgl96zl3znndyzyaqhwmwdtshwmtkg03fetaqxczx4f

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 14:44:36 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • rabble

     @ricmac @rabble Pixelfed and Mastodon are not isolated from each other. I have Pixelfed users in my home feed on Mastodon. That's a very weird definition of isolated. Mastodon has search too. Phanpy has a catch-up algorithm. I don't find the arguments in the post compelling.

   • Jason Culverhouse :flipboard: (jsonculverhouse@flipboard.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 06:35:39 JST Jason Culverhouse :flipboard:

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko
     • dansup
     • rabble
     • Evan Prodromou
     • Mike McCue
     • Greg Scallan
     • Emily Nguyen :verified_red:

     @evan @mike @ricmac @rabble @Gargron @dansup @greg @emilynguyen

     I really wish there was something more akin to DID support in the ActivityPub protocol.

     Then I could be @jason.mischievous.org and my handle is no longer tied to a server.

     ```
     $ dig +short -t txt _atproto.jason.mischievous.org
     "did=did:plc:d4yzg3vadl536rkihgygkvv6"
     ```

     ```
     $ curl -s "https://plc.directory/did:plc:d4yzg3vadl536rkihgygkvv6" | jq
     {
     "@context": [
     "https://www.w3.org/ns/did/v1",
     "https://w3id.org/security/multikey/v1",
     "https://w3id.org/security/suites/secp256k1-2019/v1"
     ],
     "id": "did:plc:d4yzg3vadl536rkihgygkvv6",
     "alsoKnownAs": [
     "at://jason.mischievous.org"
     ],
     "verificationMethod": [
     {
     "id": "did:plc:d4yzg3vadl536rkihgygkvv6#atproto",
     "type": "Multikey",
     "controller": "did:plc:d4yzg3vadl536rkihgygkvv6",
     "publicKeyMultibase": "zQ3shZ5zsCnLxj15tTJV92bpANkGNNmD1kkz3x9cC6GMJcbg2"
     }
     ],
     "service": [
     {
     "id": "#atproto_pds",
     "type": "AtprotoPersonalDataServer",
     "serviceEndpoint": "https://oyster.us-east.host.bsky.network"
     }
     ]
     }
     ```

   • Mike McCue (mike@flipboard.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 06:35:40 JST Mike McCue

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko
     • dansup
     • rabble
     • Evan Prodromou
     • Greg Scallan
     • Jason Culverhouse :flipboard:
     • Emily Nguyen :verified_red:

     @ricmac Of the issues that @rabble raises the one that I think is the most important to address is:

     "Each kind of fediverse server is isolated. You can use a Peertube instance to federate with other Peertubes for video, or Mobilizon for meetup-style events, or Pixelfed for Instagram-like photo sharing, or WriteFreely for blogs. But each of these is isolated. I need a new account on an instance of each of these servers. They all run the same protocol, but they aren’t actually interoperable. You can’t use a single fediverse identity with your profile and followers in Peertube, Mobilizon, WriteFreely, and Pixelfed. You need a totally separate account in each one. With Nostr, you can use dozens of apps all with your same identity, content, and followers."

     cc @evan @Gargron @dansup @JsonCulverhouse @greg @emilynguyen

   • Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 06:35:40 JST Evan Prodromou

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko
     • dansup
     • rabble
     • Mike McCue
     • Greg Scallan
     • Jason Culverhouse :flipboard:
     • Emily Nguyen :verified_red:

     @mike @ricmac @rabble @Gargron @dansup @JsonCulverhouse @greg @emilynguyen I gave some detailed responses here.

     https://evanp.me/2024/04/14/responses-to-rabble-on-activitypub/

   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Tuesday, 16-Apr-2024 06:36:09 JST silverpill

     in reply to

     • Eugen Rochko
     • dansup
     • rabble
     • Evan Prodromou
     • Mike McCue
     • Greg Scallan
     • Jason Culverhouse :flipboard:
     • Emily Nguyen :verified_red:

     @JsonCulverhouse

     >I really wish there was something more akin to DID support in the ActivityPub protocol.

     There is. I mean, the ActivityPub spec doesn't say anything about it, but it also does not explicitly forbid non-HTTPS identifiers. DIDs alone are probably not enough, because not all of them can carry additional information (e.g. did:key can't)

     You can read about the current research in this document:

     https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ef61/fep-ef61.md

     Some Fediverse projects are already experimenting with these ideas: https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/activitypub-nomadic-identity/

     @dansup @rabble @evan @mike @ricmac @greg @emilynguyen @Gargron