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1. Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 10:52:55 JST Pawlicker

   • xianc78
   @xianc78 Journalists, by far. Simply because as the Resetera/NeoGAF saga has shown, they have far too much clout and ability to influence gamedevs that none of the other groups do.
   
   Speedrunners stick to their own games, that's why you see so many speedrunning shit like the Spongebob game. E-Sports athletes will only play games if they're "good enough", when the flood of shit esports titles happened many like Lawbreakers bombed (vid related), and CoD became very divisive. Halo even went down the toilet as a result of trying to pander to people without having them play the damn game. Streamer/eceleb cancer can also kill a game if people parrot their opinions, but they can't directly influence them to the same degree as "posting on a message board devs post on".
   
   There was a theory that the whole Ion Fury drama was a false flag troll op, simply because the OP was found to have had an edgy internet past years ago.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 10:52:54 JST xianc78

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     @PurpCat I feel like the speedrunning community was the one that really brought transgenderism to the entire gaming community thus causing gamedevs to pander to them.

     Literally, I learned most of the transgender terminology from GDQ.

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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 10:55:50 JST xianc78

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     @PurpCat @koimoa Lately, I've been having a gripe with game collecting in general (not just the scalpers) because they will literally buy everything in their favorite video game franchise, thus supporting all of the bad practices. They just have to buy every game in their favorite series even if they know it's shit.

   • Koi (koimoa@binky.fish)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 10:55:51 JST Koi

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     @PurpCat @xianc78 It was a tie for Journalists and Scalpers for me, but ultimately they're both parasites
     
     At least with journalists you have something to laugh at

   • Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 10:55:51 JST Pawlicker

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     • Koi
     @koimoa @xianc78 Oh on Discord and other gaming communities there's a lot of scalper hate/mockery too, along with hate for other pretentious douchebags depending on what part of the scene you're in.
     
     The entire Limited Run Games brand is one such brand, it's been so heavily associated with games selling out and being bought by scalpers that it's tainted their brand.
     
     There's also channels in Discord groups and users online mocking "bad eBay listings" all the damn time. There's a channel in the PC-98 Discord even for posting "the best of the worst" from listings.
     
     This YAJ listing is a meme in that group for being up for years and looking piss yellow too:
     https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/q400626120
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 10:56:14 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @xianc78 @PurpCat
     GDQ Dilation Stations were a curse upon humanity.
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 11:46:09 JST xianc78

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     @PurpCat
     Admittedly, I don't pay attention to many of these niche communities so yeah the whole phenomenon is probably older than I thought. GDQ made it obvious because it seemed like every major speedrunner transitioned after Cosmo and the drama going on there was making it into drama channels and mainstream gaming press.

     Though the final nail in the coffin wasn't GDQ, but that infamous hbomberguy stream because after Grant Kirkhope said "trans rights" in his DK voice, it inspired a bunch of other video game VAs to do the same as well as fan artists making "trans rights" art for every video game character in existence.

     >To someone who is attention seeking, negative attention is also good attention

     It's really no different than celebrities coming out as gay or bisexual when they were losing relevance years ago. Though, at least with that you can admit to it just being a phase and reverse, unlike transitioning where results can be permanent.

   • Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 11:46:10 JST Pawlicker

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     • xianc78
     @xianc78 IMO, GDQ was a reflection of the culture around it given what I've seen in similar "niche" circles like the TCRF posters.
     
     A lot of people will argue the transgender boom came from two things circa 2015: the SCOUTS ruling on gay marriage causing lobbying in that realm to switch gears, and Bruce Jenner becoming Catilyn Jenner, leading to the infamous magazine cover. Given who Bruce had family ties to (the Jenner/Kardashian family, which was already a media circus), the tabloid media picking up hard on this.
     
     The Vanity Fair cover was the point where it boiled over, but also it was several months in the making. While Jenner might not have had full on left wing/tankie views which hurt Jenner's reputation in that community (plus Jenner is AGP and was "tucking" even back in the day and telling spouses this), this was the first time many people learned about this.
   • Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Saturday, 13-Apr-2024 11:46:10 JST Pawlicker

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     @xianc78 On the other hand, GDQ was in a very good spot to push this stuff.
     
     One of the big things with someone coming out as trans was simple. The individual would make it his/her entire new identity, and as a result gets heaps of attention for it. But this is not solely a trans community issue, but rather one with many niche communities. What do I mean by this? Look at Sonicfox.
     
     Sonicfox was someone who did the same gimmick as trans people but as a furry. Eventually Sonicfox would come out as "non-binary" and would shill trans ideology (which also coincidentally became really popular in the furry sphere), but that's besides the point. The point is, Sonicfox made his entire brand and identity as being "furry esports star" to the point of publicity photos using art of his fursona or his costume.
     
     It both gave him instant clout in the furry sphere, but it also came off as a WWE gimmick to those who weren't in the furry sphere. But during his height he was everywhere, I heard how at the furry con I was at he was wiping the floor with people in the game room on fighting games, and many people lined up because he was "/ourguy/".
     
     To someone who is attention seeking, negative attention is also good attention, and given that SonicFox won tournaments for at least one game (even if more people are playing different games), it was good PR for him and the furry scene.
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 01:24:37 JST xianc78

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     @beardalaxy @koimoa @PurpCat I think there is also another factor that is contributing to the failure of the ninth generation of consoles and developers still making PS4 ports: The Nintendo Switch is insanely popular with both gamers and third-party developers. Given that many games are being developed for it and it being weaker than the PS4, there are many devs who just go "fuck it, let's make a PS4 port" and given that the PS5 is backward-compatible with the PS4, it's also an excuse not to port to the PS5.

     It's kind of like how the original Wii prompted third-party developers to also make PS2 ports.

   • :meru_B: b e a r d (beardalaxy@gameliberty.club)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 01:24:42 JST :meru_B: b e a r d

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     @koimoa @xianc78 @PurpCat scalpers aren't usually an issue since we have emulation and for the most part consoles are always available. i think this latest generation was only as bad as it was because of the chip shortage.

   • Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 01:37:05 JST Pawlicker

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     @xianc78 @beardalaxy @koimoa I think it's more the fact the ps5 can play all ps4 games.
     
     Why develop a ps5 game when the ps4 game runs on more consoles?
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 01:37:31 JST xianc78

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     @PurpCat @koimoa @beardalaxy If that were the case then nobody would have developed games for the PS2 or PS3.

   • Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 01:43:26 JST Pawlicker

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     • Koi
     @xianc78 @koimoa @beardalaxy there were still ps1 games being made late into it's life for this reason though
     Including stuff like SNES ports/remakes
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Sunday, 14-Apr-2024 01:43:54 JST xianc78

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     @PurpCat @koimoa @beardalaxy But the PS2 still got games.