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@sickburnbro THIS REMINDS ME OF A VERY SPECIFIC THING,
OF INNOCENT LOW CHURCH PASTORS COMPARING THE WORDS OF INSTITUTION IN HIGH CHURCH COMMUNIONS (TAKE, EAT, THIS IS MY BODY WHICH WAS BROKEN FOR YOU) WITH A THING ORTHODOX JEWS DO IN THEIR SERVICE WHERE THEY LIFT A LOAF OF BREAD AND SAY "TAKE EAT THIS IS THE BREAD OF OUR SUFFERING"
AND THEY THEN CONCLUDE THAT THIS IS EVIDENCE OF TRANSMISSION OR RITUAL PRACTICE FROM PRE-INCARNATION WORSHIP TO THE EARLY CHURCH
WHEN IN ACTUALITY THIS IS SOMETHING JEWS HAVE STARTED TO DO IN IIRC THE IX CENTURY AD AS A MOCKERY OF CHRISTIANS
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@sickburnbro @Euletheria2 AND THATS ANOTHER THING
THE FAKE INSTITUTION THAT THEY DO IN THEIR SERVICE IS DIFFERENT TO HOW PROTESTANTS HAD MOCKED IT
PROTESTANT COMPLAINT WAS THAT ITS A MAGIC SPELL, LITERALLY WHERE THE WORDS HOCUS POCUS COME FROM, THAT YOU PERFORM THE RITUAL CORRECTLY AND IT COMPELS GOD TO DO SOMETHING
YOU DO THE HOKEY POKEY AND YOU TURN AROUND AND THAT'S WHAT, SEEMINGLY, THE CHURCH SERVICE IS ALL ABOUT
NOT MAKING A THEOLOGICAL CRITIQUE HERE BTW
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WHAT THE JEWS ARE SAYING ISNT THAT
THEIR CRITIQUE IS "YES, BUT THIS RITUAL SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT GOD IT SHOULD BE ABOUT US"
"THE CHRISTIANS ARE WRONG NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE WORSHIPPING THE WRONG WAY, THEY'RE WORSHIPPING THE WRONG THING -- THIS WORSHIP SHOULD BE GOING TO THE COLLECTIVE IDENTITY OF THE JEW"
AND THAT BETRAYS THE CORE OF THE JEWISH RELIGION, THAT THE COLLECTIVE JEWISH IDENTITY IS PIGEONHOLED INTO THE PLACES WHERE THE SON OF GOD USED TO BE
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@sickburnbro THERE'S THIS MIASMA OF UNWARRANTED GOOD FAITH ASSUMPTIONS THAT SHROUDS JEWS AND THEIR PRACTICES IN CERTAIN COUNTRIES
ANGLOPHONE COUNTRIES ESPECIALLY
LATINS AND SLAVS STILL RETAIN SOME LEVEL OF NATURAL MORAL SUSPICION OF THE JEW BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON IN ENGLAND AND NOW EVEN IN AMERICA -- IT IS ASSUMED THE JEWS OPERATE ON GOOD WILL BY DEFAULT
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@nugger @sickburnbro I don't think the Anglophones are really different from Europeans in their suspicion of Jews, it's just that anti-Semitism is culturally associated with low status so it's not expressed publicly in the same way.
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@sickburnbro Are we sure it isn't just a reenactment of the zillion times in the Old Testament the Jews disobeyed God and got punished for it?