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1. Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 22:46:16 JST Moon
   unverifiable information from untrustworthy sources when compiled becomes objective data:
   
   https://disinfodex.org/
   
   humans constantly fall for this super simple trick way before you have to get into "AI-facilitated disinformation"
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 22:46:15 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Moon What am I looking at? There's like 0 details
     
     And why isn't the US ranking up in the charts?
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 22:46:43 JST Moon

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     @coolboymew working on a post about this
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:03:05 JST Moon

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     https://disinfodex.org/
     
     * compiles from social media official sources reporting on disinfo campaigns.
     * contains no record of any disinfo campaigns by the us government because social media companies, when they find and remove US disinfo campaigns, don't announce it
     * is funded by a think tank located in Washington, DC that is widely considered "one of, if not the most influential think tank in the world". They publish analyses such as "The US Needs a Global Anti-Coup Strategy"
     
     Look I'm not acting like these things are huge surprises. I just want there to be a recognition that all the "data" about "misinformation" comes from organizations that intentionally do not record US disinformation.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:04:26 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Moon
     
     >* contains no record of any disinfo campaigns by the us government
     
     Booooooo
     
     We legitimately needs serious leaks about this because the "muh disinfo" shit they're pushing is starting to be hugely hypocritical, the everyday propaganda, lying, etc is off the fucking chart
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:27:48 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @Moon @billiam I'd say the "disinfo" narrative is probably more destructive than these shitty campaign. How much damage did "muh Russia" done in the last 6 years? What was it that they were complaining about? Some Facebook page that spends like 1000$ at best? I believe there's actually documented pictures about it around, I've seen it in a Jimmy Dore video. And then the Trump/Russia connection was made wholesale by the FBI.
   • billiam :4chan: (billiam@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:27:49 JST billiam :4chan:

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     @Moon I love the random countries included in the dataset, like the Comoros. lmao who cares
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:27:49 JST Moon

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @billiam These dinky country disinfo campaigns are almost certainly real because they are small amateur operations and so they're easily detectabl. Reporting on them strengthens the narrative that disinformation is a huge problem. There's not incentive to fake campaigns by the Myanmar military or tiny tropical islands like there is with countries that just happen to be American enemies. So they're probably real.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:31:48 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @Moon @billiam Also really ironic that they've been complaining about this example as "election interference" when the FBI, Twitter, Facebook and the journos had a massive hand in actual election interference
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:39:00 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @Moon @billiam btw, actual hearings about this
     
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9qx3luTx_M
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w0XUqtek4Y
     
     Of course, absolute useless shitstains like AOC is on the defense
   • Kumicota :euphohug: (kumicota@weeaboo.space)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:39:19 JST Kumicota :euphohug:

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     @Moon This reminds me of this article https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/57878/1/the-era-of-military-funded-e-girl-warfare-army-influencers-tiktok
     
     A tl;dr: A lot of military e-girls are funded by the military to promote the army and influence people to join it
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:39:20 JST Moon

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     The USA runs anti-extremism campaigns on social media that include fake identities with GAN-generated profile pics. We know this because multiple branches of the US military openly advertise for contractors to build it for them. Is this "misinformation" or is it "counter-misinformation" or is there even a difference once you start embedding fake humans inside online social graphs of targeted demographics to try to trick them into believing there's a groundswell of support among their peers for American liberalism.
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:39:57 JST Moon

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     • augustus pugin 🌖
     @augustus They are broadly aligned with Western liberal goals and not reliably with American foreign policy, at least I guess. It was founded to "end all wars" and one of the first things it ever did was declare that peace could only be attained by waging war in Europe. To its credit I guess it was openly against Bush's Iraq invasion, but they still had the same regime change goal they just wanted it done via the UN. On Ukraine they have actually argued for negotiations between Ukraine and Russia should be done which is very much counter to American goals.
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   • augustus pugin 🌖 (augustus@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:39:58 JST augustus pugin 🌖

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     @Moon >Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
     their vanity self-labels always amaze me
   • sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:40:57 JST sj_zero

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     • billiam :4chan:
     Frankly, I don't think that the question here should be about twitter. It should be about the government. There should be a massive shake up, people should go to jail for what happened.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:41:16 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @sj_zero @Moon @billiam that's what they're threatening here, finally
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:43:32 JST Moon

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @coolboymew @billiam I didn't mention it in the original post, but while you can't search and find US government disinfo campaigns in their database, you can find disinfo campaigns originating from USA the country and they are all right-wing and qanon attributed. One of them is "The Unz Review" which literally is just a rich guy with a blog, and they "caught" him spending 1600 dollars in Facebook ads.
     
     This is another bias because we of course know that the right wing doesn't have a monopoly on doing this, again it just doesn't get reported because it's not good PR for Facebook to say that they took down an ActBlue botnet (it's also not good for business because ActBlue spends a shit-ton on regular Facebook ads.)
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:46:06 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @Moon @billiam ah yes, the classic
     
     "ADL doesn't collect this kind of information" when asked about "left wing terrorism"
     
     Or the "trump lies" website that had schizo levels of stupid shit like "Trump said that it was the best economy 12000 times when i fact, the best economy was in 1967" that mysteriously shut down when Biden became the president
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:46:25 JST Moon

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @coolboymew @billiam I'm not even whining for "fairness" just pointing out it's really obvious what you're doing if you're looking for disinfo and you only find right wing disinfo.
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   • billiam :4chan: (billiam@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:48:28 JST billiam :4chan:

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     @Moon @coolboymew Re Unz and Facebook, it's a bit more than that. Here he writes:
     >At the end of April we were suddenly purged and banned by Facebook, the world’s leading social network. Not only was our rudimentary Facebook page removed, but every last item of our website content was declared illegal, with all past and future links eliminated. Any attempt to post our material on Facebook now produces an error message reporting that the content is “abusive” and a violation of “community standards.”
     https://www.unz.com/announcement/our-facebook-ban-the-fatal-0-2/
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:48:45 JST Moon

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @coolboymew @billiam Hilariously ADL used to collect very minor amounts of information about black separatist groups including ones that had repeatedly committed political violence, and they eventually removed or minimized them because of you will literally get criticized if you are trying to document dangerous groups and one or two aren't white people.
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   • billiam :4chan: (billiam@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:52:37 JST billiam :4chan:

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @Moon @coolboymew yes
     >So the absolute prohibition of any links to our several million pages of unique content [...] was allegedly justified by our being “similar” to VDare, “a website known for posting anti-immigration content.”
     > [...] But since the beginning of the year, our overwhelmingly focus has been on foreign policy issues and the Coronavirus epidemic, so we have only run just 41 VDare pieces. Few of these had anything to do with immigration, and they represented only about 0.2% of our 1,751 articles and posts during this period. Is VDare so enormously powerful a brand that by providing us 0.2% of our recent content, we have necessarily become “similar”?
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:52:38 JST Moon

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @billiam @coolboymew Are you talking about the VDARE connection?
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 23:55:28 JST Moon

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @coolboymew @billiam Doubly funny about this is that these groups are ALWAYS anti-Semitic and the ADL won't tell you about them, which gives you some insight into their organizational values.
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   • mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部) (moth_ball@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Feb-2023 00:03:46 JST mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部)

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     • cool_boy_mew
     • billiam :4chan:
     @Moon @billiam @coolboymew ADL is pretty funny to browse since it's so ridiculously transparent what their agenda is. And the kids' book recommendations, oh boy...
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Feb-2023 00:05:34 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • billiam :4chan:
     • mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部)
     @moth_ball @Moon @billiam I remember that one thing that was widely reported "Right wing terrorism is up 200%!!!!" it went from double digit... to staying double digit
     
     And if you read the report you had a lot of extremely sus shit like the Vegas shooting, which was a complete mystery at the time, and stuff like the Arab mass shooting that is religiously motivated
   • Pete Zaitcev (zaitcev@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Feb-2023 00:22:33 JST Pete Zaitcev

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     • billiam :4chan:
     @Moon @coolboymew @billiam I'm a little surprised how well-heeled Unz is, not to mention FB ads. It is mostly known for being backup for a Philippina in Colorado Springs, hosting her posts when Creators deem them too spicy.
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   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Feb-2023 00:57:58 JST mangeurdenuage

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     • cool_boy_mew
     • billiam :4chan:
     @coolboymew @Moon @billiam Any message that create distrust among your own population has disastrous effect.
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Feb-2023 01:35:29 JST Moon

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     • Tosti 🎀
     @tost I intend to write a much longer post about Russian misinformation specifically, but I am considering setting up a blog first because the microblog format and shit poster dot club domain for an effortpost isn't ideal.
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   • Tosti 🎀 (tost@mk.toast.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Feb-2023 01:35:34 JST Tosti 🎀

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     @Moon@shitposter.club anything aiming to combat misinformation is necessarily a very attractive target as to where to put misinformation, ideally without them realizing it, since it’s where people necessarily expect the correct endpoint to be

   • Jolly Rancher (not_br549@jollyville.net)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Feb-2023 23:46:47 JST Jolly Rancher

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     I think of misinformation as an innocent mistake, and disinformation as a malicious lie. but lately, it has been disturbing to see 'fact checkers' dispensing DISinformation, and threatening those who convey MISinformation with everything from deplatforming to cancellation to arrest. . .
     
     > If you don't read the papers, you are uninformed;
     > If you do read them, you are misinformed.
     > -- maybe Mark Twain -- or not; don't know
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   • mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部) (moth_ball@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Feb-2023 23:49:11 JST mothball蛾玉 (和文化研究部)

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     @Moon Is someone you know becoming too prepared? Here's how we can help!
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