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1. Rock DJ :fedora: :vibe: 💢 (dj@rojogato.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 12:40:48 JST Rock DJ :fedora: :vibe: 💢

   • Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo:
   • T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll: (epic music enjoyer)
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   Was this before they made the nonfree iso the default? It’s a pain to add the non free stuff after. I’ve run Debian on a X220, which is very similar to T420 and nonfree iso was way to go.
   I like LMDE for the updated version of cinnamon of course.
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   • Eric Shields | 🅜assTransitKrow (masstransitkrow@federation.ninetiesmysteri.es)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 12:44:10 JST Eric Shields | 🅜assTransitKrow

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     • Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo:
     • T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll: (epic music enjoyer)
     @dj @theorytoe @verita84 Debian changed their social contract a few months ago to allow nonfree to ship. I think the decision was a mistake.
     
     I still have a nonfree-free ISO. Nonfree is only helpful to end users who need the firmware (for DVD/BD/Radeon etc). But I am running nonfree-free, headless Debian on 3/4 of my servers, and everything works as it should.
     
     Last year, I had a talk with a fellow user about how their kernel update broke their ZFS and they felt I was blaming the license. I specifically said that the inclusion of nonfree firmware almost always results in undesirable behavior in an environment not meant to accomodate it.
   • Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo: (verita84@poster.place)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Feb-2023 02:13:33 JST Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo:

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     • Eric Shields | 🅜assTransitKrow
     • T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll: (epic music enjoyer)
     @masstransitkrow @theorytoe @dj
     
     Nom-free firmware is important to even install Debian for most people.
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   • Eric Shields | 🅜assTransitKrow (masstransitkrow@federation.ninetiesmysteri.es)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Feb-2023 02:13:55 JST Eric Shields | 🅜assTransitKrow

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     • Vivi Nella Verita :Debian_logo:
     • T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll: (epic music enjoyer)
     @verita84 @theorytoe @dj I've noticed. 😒