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1. LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 03:43:41 JST LS
   not accepting MRs from people who vote in government elections. If you participate in a system of organized violence, I don't want or need your code.
   • H. Faust (hfaust@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 03:51:17 JST H. Faust

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     @lain So that's why we don't have groups.
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   • Bunni (cosplaying as Zelda) (bunni@raru.re)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 03:52:08 JST Bunni (cosplaying as Zelda)

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     @lain come to bunland we have no gov
     Just buns
     :bunHop:

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   • Kerosene :ancapshades: (kerosene@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 03:54:40 JST Kerosene :ancapshades:

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     @lain From now on only accepting MRs from people who participate in haphazard and spontaneous acts of violence.
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   • histoire (histoire@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 04:01:22 JST histoire

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     @lain
     
     Absolutely based
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   • Robert_R_Freitag_II (robert_r_freitag_ii@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 04:23:34 JST Robert_R_Freitag_II

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     @lain But that's pretty much the definition of government. Participate, don't participate, but life is a lot harder if you don't.

   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 04:23:34 JST LS

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     • Robert_R_Freitag_II
     @Robert_R_Freitag_II
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 05:54:38 JST LS

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     • Hunter S. Bloomfer
     @Bloomfer happens to the best of us
   • Hunter S. Bloomfer (bloomfer@coolsite.win)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 05:54:39 JST Hunter S. Bloomfer

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     Damn you are autistic
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 05:58:46 JST LS

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     • Hunter S. Bloomfer
     @Bloomfer well
   • Hunter S. Bloomfer (bloomfer@coolsite.win)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 05:58:47 JST Hunter S. Bloomfer

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     🤔 I'm not autistic
   • Ademan (ademan@thebag.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 05:59:40 JST Ademan

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     whoa based?

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   • Ademan (ademan@thebag.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 05:59:52 JST Ademan

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     • H. Faust

     groups collectivist nonsense

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   • book (book@sneed.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 06:03:11 JST book

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     @lain Not accepting MRs from people who know how to code. If you participate in a system of industrialized modernism, I don't want or need your code.
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   • Ademan (ademan@thebag.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 06:07:20 JST Ademan

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     • Hunter S. Bloomfer

     RIP

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   • Сычёв (bleed@suya.place)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 10:31:06 JST Сычёв

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     @lain that's wise
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   • Robert_R_Freitag_II (robert_r_freitag_ii@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 11:02:22 JST Robert_R_Freitag_II

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     @lain You do get to opt out of participating in government.

     You don't get to opt out of being governed.

     So faulty analogy.

   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 11:02:22 JST LS

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     • Robert_R_Freitag_II
     @Robert_R_Freitag_II voting is not meaningful participation in any way
   • Robert_R_Freitag_II (robert_r_freitag_ii@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 11:13:04 JST Robert_R_Freitag_II

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     @lain I haven't voted for years as exactly this type of abstentionist strategy. It's a small act of protest.

     I can't worry about when exactly it will have an impact, but it definitely will have an impact, even if it is acceleration towards a totalitarian crisis.

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   • Robert_R_Freitag_II (robert_r_freitag_ii@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 11:13:05 JST Robert_R_Freitag_II

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     @lain Electoral abstention is a legitimate political strategy when trying to force the hand of an entrenched establishment. If done mindfully, it's still a type of participation because it is expected or hoped to have a practical effect, even if not in the short term.

     But to pretend you can fly off to Oz and ignore the consequences is delusion.

     It's the difference between consciously accepting the steep price of a desperate action (or inaction) and the self delusion that choices don't matter.

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   • Robert_R_Freitag_II (robert_r_freitag_ii@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 11:17:50 JST Robert_R_Freitag_II

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     @lain I think this is become a more general trend--Bai Lan, The Great Resignation. There are measurable effects--Sinema has effectively been forced out of the Democratic Party. Small measurable effects that may eventually be reversed, but success is never guaranteed in any ambitious project.

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   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 11:24:36 JST feld

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     I'm working on a bot that doxxes people and confirms they've voted in a Federal election and will automatically block them. I'm calling it #fediblock
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 11:25:22 JST LS

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     @feld perfect!
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 13:47:29 JST LS

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     • Gurtbeef Robe
     @twitterreject @zleap there's only one scenario where your vote could matter, and that is when it's exactly 50/50 and your vote makes the difference. I don't think that's very likely, so i think it's fine to skip voting, even if you're not opposed to it on a more fundamental level.
   • Gurtbeef Robe (twitterreject@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 13:47:36 JST Gurtbeef Robe

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     • Paul Sutton

     @lain @zleap sometimes the only thing that motivates me to vote is the fact that people who are against everything I believe in are trying extremely hard to prevent me from voting. If they didn’t cheat and fight so dirty, I probably would’ve just stayed home,

   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 15:00:39 JST LS

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     @twitterreject @zleap 2 answers
     
     1. i agree with you, local elections can be rational to vote in. The more direct the influence, the better it is.
     
     2. The argument works, but it doesn't proof that it is sensible to vote, it just proofs that it is sensible to tell others to vote if you expect them to vote for your party on average.
   • Gurtbeef Robe (twitterreject@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 15:00:40 JST Gurtbeef Robe

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     • Paul Sutton

     @lain @zleap there actually are more localized elections where the winner is decided by 1-10 votes. And the problem with assuming your vote doesn’t matter is that if only 1 person skips. it probably doesn’t matter much. But there’s quite a few people who share that belief and now it can actually effect outcomes. Local elections have issues that directly affect you daily and with less voters, your vote actually has more power than fed elections. I want a say in my future though.

   • Gurtbeef Robe (twitterreject@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 15:23:08 JST Gurtbeef Robe

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     • Paul Sutton

     @lain @zleap you can do whatever you want though. I understand your mentality and have been in similar places. I just know what motivates me. I want a say in what politics affect my future. I don’t want old people deciding my future. And if voting didn’t matter, my political opponents wouldn’t fight so hard to prevent me from doing it. There’s also a little guilt for not using it when others have had that right taken away and would do anything to get it back.

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   • Gurtbeef Robe (twitterreject@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 15:24:09 JST Gurtbeef Robe

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     • Paul Sutton

     @lain @zleap 2 things. 1. If you would vote left but stay home, make someone else who was going to vote for the right also stay home. Same as if you both voted.
     2. It’s probably not sensible for a single voter. But the problem is it’s not just a single voter with that belief. It’s many individuals and the group makes it sensible if they share support. Like when employees at a company unionized. Individual workers had almost no power for influence. But now they can join others and create power

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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 15:25:09 JST LS

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     • Gurtbeef Robe
     @twitterreject @zleap i agree with you 100%, but you are not arguing that is is rational for a person to vote, you are arguing if it is rational for a person to argue about if it is rational to vote. The first one isn't the second one is.
   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 15:26:31 JST LS

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     • Paul Sutton
     • Gurtbeef Robe
     @twitterreject @zleap voting-in-aggregate does matter in a democracy. but your vote doesn't. if you're an agitator and get 5% of people to vote for your cause, then that's great, i hope you can have that much influence. But if you yourself vote or not doesn't make a difference. (so i prefer not to do it, for practical and ethical reasons)
   • Gurtbeef Robe (twitterreject@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 16:08:57 JST Gurtbeef Robe

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     • Paul Sutton

     @lain @zleap like I said, in the end it’s your choice. My motivations are driven by guilt, spite, and avoiding negative situations rather than shared beliefs and positive feelings. I just hope to someday soon vote for a candidate that represents me instead of just against the worser one

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   • Gurtbeef Robe (twitterreject@mstdn.social)'s status on Monday, 13-Feb-2023 16:09:31 JST Gurtbeef Robe

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     • Paul Sutton

     @lain @zleap ok I agree that many times voting isn’t a rational idea. But when enough people stop believing this idea, voting changes to rational. Your vote then becomes necessary to add to the group to have enough power to change outcomes. Here: if an election could be decided by 1000 votes, 1 vote is useless. But if a group of No voters are willing to pause that belief and vote together, you might have power now. You could be the final vote to empower them at 1001 and cause a new victory.

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