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1. menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 01:17:45 JST menherahair

   • Zergling_man
   @Zergling_man the issue is that new version won't compile against my current lib, so the solution is...
   a) have two version of lib on the system and do some unix magic to deal with the implications. I have to maintain the second one myself
   b) static link the binary. I have to maintain it myself
   c) change operating system (lol)
   d) use a container to basically do a) with c) without the implications of c)
   • Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 01:17:44 JST Zergling_man

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     @menherahair You really should just do c. I don't have this problem on arch.
   • menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 01:18:01 JST menherahair

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     • Zergling_man
     @Zergling_man because rolling release is strictly superior, but then you need to pay attention or there *will* be other problems, and I don't wanna. I want to plop the os on there and have everything set in stone for the next 6 years.
   • lauralt (lauralt@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 01:56:32 JST lauralt

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     • Zergling_man
     @menherahair @Zergling_man
     
     >bare metal docker. Soon.
     Never happening. The process of compiling packages, writing pkgfiles, adding wiki pages, etc is as much tied to the ecosystem as the software development process itself.
     It cannot be abstracted away inside a container. The people trying to do the abstraction are using what the bare metal people create. They can never surpass them or do without them. It's a pipe dream.
     Punished Misako likes this.
   • menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 01:56:35 JST menherahair

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     • lauralt
     • Zergling_man
     @lauralt @Zergling_man
     >They are, but people do abuse them and believe containers can replace low level knowledge.
     One of these two things takes good money to find and hire, I wonder which.
     >There's also this trend that everyone is trying to abstract their whole OS into a yaml file to make it "portable".
     I believe in container singularity: bare metal docker. Soon.
     
     I've nothing on arch, other than that I just don't vibe with it.
   • lauralt (lauralt@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 01:56:36 JST lauralt

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     • Zergling_man
     @menherahair @Zergling_man
     
     >containers are the king of hacks
     They are, but people do abuse them and believe containers can replace low level knowledge.
     There's also this trend that everyone is trying to abstract their whole OS into a yaml file to make it "portable".
     
     >Arch
     Arch is very valuable in the general open source ecosystem. You have people working on builds and publishing pkgfiles. I almost always refer to aur when I'm making a Pkgfile of my own.
     Much like gentoo's documentation it is very valuable if you are doing any sort of kernel configuration.
   • menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 01:56:37 JST menherahair

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     • lauralt
     • Zergling_man
     @lauralt @Zergling_man containers are the king of hacks, but apparently their problem solving ability is closely contested by the the greatest hack of all, the arch operating system.
   • lauralt (lauralt@ryona.agency)'s status on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2024 01:56:38 JST lauralt

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     • Zergling_man
     @menherahair @Zergling_man
     
     I do the same thing but the other way around.
     I have my lean and fast CRUX system where I do most of my computing and then some Mint containers for bloatware requiring dozens of dependencies that I can just apt-get install and keep the shitware contained.