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1. LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 21:38:52 JST LS
   we need single payer food care
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 21:43:30 JST Moon

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     @lain You will be forced to buy McDonalds, but only through Halliburton. The Supreme Court has ruled this constitutional.
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 21:48:11 JST LS

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     @Moon it's clearly a better system
   • NonPlayableClown (nonplayableclown@postnstuffds.lol)'s status on Monday, 11-Mar-2024 22:38:32 JST NonPlayableClown

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     So the government will pay for some of poast's bill nice.
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   • Aven (aven@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 00:59:38 JST Aven

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     @lain @Moon I like this comparison and I've thought about it before:
     If "healthcare is a human right", then why not food? You need food to live, after all.
     So why not treat food the same way we treat medical care?
     
     Why is one industry exorbitantly expensive and fucked up, and the other not so much?
     Because one is heavily regulated, and the other is a (somewhat) free market with low barrier to entry.
     You can't start an insurance company these days (so they merge into monopolies), but you can grow your own food.
     
     And yes, socializing or nationalizing food industry, would involve taking the CEOs of McDonalds and Nestle and Walmart, and having them lead the new state-owned corporation, to which no competition is allowed. Growing your own food would be banned, for the same reason that not having health insurance would be banned.
     
     I don't have health insurance. I used to have health insurance, and initially it was considered a bronze-rated plan in Obamacare, but then they raised the standards, and my plan became illegal and they stopped offering it. Instead of paying 5x as much, I opted to pay the individual mandate fee for not buying insurance. So, thanks Obama. "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan".
     
     Oh! The single-payer McDonalds meme should include the penalty you have to pay if you *don't* buy McDonalds food.
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   • Terry Hendrix II 🏹 (thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 00:59:38 JST Terry Hendrix II 🏹

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     Can you grow your own food? PA vs Amos Miller seems to say you can’t.

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   • Terry Hendrix II 🏹 (thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 01:34:24 JST Terry Hendrix II 🏹

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     NZ banned gardens years ago. It was part of their price controls policy supposedly. They couldn’t let people introduce supply to the market was their excuse. US is looking to pass price control laws, which is why Obama-Biden admin III brings up shrinkflation all the time.

     It will ensure our low food supply goes to famine quick enough. They really want to be like Ukraine.

   • Aven (aven@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 01:34:24 JST Aven

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     @thendrix @lain @Moon
     >They couldn’t let people introduce supply to the market was their excuse.
     Lol. The US gov pays Mexican farmers to not grow corn, for the same reason.
     
     The shinkflation thing is such a misdirection, too. Companies have been very reluctant to be the first to raise prices, and "shrinkflation", selling a smaller amount for the same price is an alternative, albeit lousy and short-sighted. It's still all just symptoms of inflation, but they're trying to frame it as corporate greed ("capitalism"). If they're only doing it because they're greedy, then why didn't they do it five years ago? If they could make more profit by selling less stuff for the same price, why don't they just keep doing that? It makes no sense. Like you said, the point is to agitate and manufacture consent for price controls.
     
     It's more like Venezuela or the USSR than Ukraine.
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   • Aven (aven@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Mar-2024 01:34:25 JST Aven

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     @thendrix @lain @Moon that is a worrying development. To be fair it's about animal products, but it does move in the direction where plants could be next ("omg bad lettuce! ban gardening!").
     
     The talk about food-inflation always made me think "that's just general inflation", because food prices cannot spiral out of control in a free market, because more people will grow food as it becomes more profitable to be a farmer, putting a ceiling on prices (in terms of purchasing power, not dollars, as dollars can go up forever as money printer go brrrr).
     
     Part of why cattle products are going up so much is because it is more regulated, compared to chicken. IIRC, the regulation is that if you butcher anything larger than a chicken, you have you employ a full-time inspector, whom you provide with his own office, which is in its own room, with a dedicated bathroom solely for that office. This is why small butchers don't exist. A small business can't afford that, but a factory-farm can.
     
     There are only two ways that food prices spiral out of control: becoming a warzone, and socialism. If the government puts price controls on food, cracks down on "hoarding" food, or bans growing food, those are the only ways that a food crisis can be caused (or war).