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1. Jonah Aragon (jonah@mastodon.neat.computer)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 17:57:48 JST Jonah Aragon

   My "position" on #Wildebeest — and really all #ActivityPub software — is as follows: If it lets you migrate your followers in and out, sure, give it a try; If it does not, you should be VERY wary of using it for your important accounts.

   Wildebeest does not let you transfer your followers to/from it, ergo it should not be used, lest you find yourself locked-in to Cloudflare's ecosystem forever. Whether or not you like #Cloudflare is irrelevant, you should not tie your fediverse identity to any company permanently.

   It's very frustrating for me to see even large ActivityPub implementations that have been around forever not implement follower migrations. Even #Pixelfed doesn't (although I hear that may be coming this year). Anyways... I asked them if they might implement it, but I don't exactly have my hopes up. https://github.com/cloudflare/wildebeest/issues/238

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 18:04:32 JST Aral Balkan

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     @jonah Spot on.

   • georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 23:42:03 JST georgia

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     • feld
     @feld @jonah hubzilla time
     LS likes this.
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 23:42:04 JST feld

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     Just a huge hole in the design. We need true nomadic identities here
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 23:42:05 JST feld

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     • Murat Çorlu
     account migrations are kind of a joke anyway because your instance admin can always disable/delete your account before you migrate and then you lose your entire social graph
   • Jonah Aragon (jonah@mastodon.neat.computer)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 23:42:05 JST Jonah Aragon

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     • feld

     @feld that's true, although in this case you'd be your own admin. I do kind of wish Mastodon still allowed suspended users to migrate their followers within the 30 days before the account is automatically deleted. I'm sure that would create moderation problems, but it doesn't really seem fair that someone can easily be suspended on one server and lose their entire following for something that is probably totally acceptable on plenty of other servers.

   • Jonah Aragon (jonah@mastodon.neat.computer)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 23:42:06 JST Jonah Aragon

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     • Murat Çorlu

     @murat IMHO merely "owning" your data in a managed SaaS database is not enough, especially because there is nothing you can do with that data at the moment if you want to leave. It may solve GDPR-type questions about personal data ownership, but practically speaking you're still totally locked-in.

     That being said, they did say they plan to support migrations in a reply to my GitHub issue, which is great. I still wouldn't use #Wildebeest until they actually do of course, but it's a good sign!

   • Murat Çorlu (murat@synaps.space)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 23:42:07 JST Murat Çorlu

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     @jonah You deploy your own instance from your own github repository by forking the project. Since it's open source I expect import/export will be available very soon. I don't see a big issue here. Data is already managed by us https://github.com/cloudflare/wildebeest/issues/238#issuecomment-1425585678

   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 10-Feb-2023 23:43:44 JST LS

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     • feld
     @feld @jonah One big issue is that it's not only the original and the new server that have to support migration, ALL the servers of your followers need to support it too, or it doesn't work.