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1. Luci for Chai Tea (zens@merveilles.town)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 16:53:29 JST Luci for Chai Tea

   whenever i see someone thinking we just need to destroy capitalism and all our problems will be solved?

   i remember Gall’s law.

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   • Luci for Chai Tea (zens@merveilles.town)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 16:53:26 JST Luci for Chai Tea

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     just a reminder: i am anti-capitalism and pro-socialism.

     i just also happen to know that you can’t just make big sweeping changes to a complicated system without a lot of possibly important things breaking- in particular for marginal people, especially disabled folks who just never seem to be thought much about in discussions of utopian futures

   • Luci for Chai Tea (zens@merveilles.town)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 17:14:25 JST Luci for Chai Tea

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     you can make incremental changes to an existing system, which is too slow for some people, and maybe you don’t think meaningful change is possible in a corrupt system.

     you can build a new small system, and slowly grow it, adapting to all the zillions of little challenges and decisions and niche needs as you go.

     or you can smash capitalism violently if you’re okay with a bunch of dependent subsystems breaking for a while and letting people go without food or medicine while you figure shit out

   • Luci for Chai Tea (zens@merveilles.town)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 17:14:26 JST Luci for Chai Tea

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     seize the means of plastic straw production!! stuff the environment councelors

     Adrian Cochrane repeated this.
   • benjamin melançon (mlncn@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 17:37:51 JST benjamin melançon

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     @zens but we also know a mild tweak to the system like a 2% or more annual redistribution of wealth would be fought by the capitalist class so intensely as to require a revolution anyway. So we need to keep imagining our best possible futures, but with a lot more attention to how things will actually work, from logistics and decision-making, and looking at what now works 'well enough' to be worth trying to preserve while building a better society in the face of violence from elites.

   • benjamin melançon (mlncn@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 17:37:53 JST benjamin melançon

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     @zens Most of our systems are set up for managing inequality, whether police/prosecutors/prisons (inc. militarized borders & criminalized migration) for repressing the dispossessed, or corps & complex high finance shenanigans for concentrated capital to have ways to become more capital for the same rich people.

     Redistribute wealth only, and systems adapt away from repression and towards cooperative ventures, where we get institutions to pool resources bottom up rather than wield power top down.

     Adrian Cochrane repeated this.
   • benjamin melançon (mlncn@social.coop)'s status on Monday, 06-Feb-2023 17:37:54 JST benjamin melançon

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     @zens a dim understanding of this fragility of complexity makes me a "conservative radical"— what big things must be changed, while letting other things adapt to that?