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1. Richard Stallman (rms@mastodon.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 17:30:26 JST Richard Stallman

   [1/3] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/25/florida-social-media-teenager-ban-bill

   Florida is considering a law that would ban people under 16 years old from making accounts on some sorts of platforms, if they have addictive design features. The law says this applies if a social media platform "utilizes addictive, harmful, or deceptive design features, or any other feature that is designed to cause an account holder to have an excessive or compulsive need to use or engage with …

   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 23:48:42 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @mangeurdenuage @rms that's one way to solve the issue
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 23:48:43 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @rms wtf florida is based now ?
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 03-Feb-2024 23:58:41 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @coolboymew @rms Yeah, the issue after word would be that like rms pointed out is that they'll probably use a form of irl id to enforce that which isn't a solution.
     The only long term positive solution would first to be to forbid phone usage at school, no phones are permitted inside the schools and jammers are put in place.
     
     Then you need to have a pedagogic project so that parents have some knowledge on how to manage all of this.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:00:40 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @mangeurdenuage @rms nah IRL ID solutions are shit and are a privacy nightmare
     
     The real solution would have the social media websites use their freaking data collecting thing for good for once and ban users that seems underaged. Otherwise, also ban smartphone and tablet ownership for kids. That might not do much at home, but it sure would solve a lot of things for school
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:12:13 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @sj_zero @rms @mangeurdenuage man, just yesterday I saw elementary school kids looking at each others smartphones while coming back from school. Holy shit. They probably also had newer phones than I do
     
     I've said this elsewhere but Android and iOS are a toy OS that's immensely crap. Apps are the devil made for the lowest common denominator and usually designed to box you into an environment so they can steal as much data as possible and social media is tailored to be addictive, possibly very dangerous to a developing mind. You more or less cannot do any serious computing on a phone
     
     It was thought that the subsequent generations would be able to interact with technology more and more, and now kids don't even understand folder structure
     https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
     
     Hell, the new gen interact with technology so much, yet they're so inept because of the toy computers that hold their hands all the way that they've beaten our grandparents generation in being caught by scams
     https://www.vox.com/technology/23882304/gen-z-vs-boomers-scams-hacks
     
     We're far from the 2000s Internet utopia we used to have, now the corpos and big data mostly own it and they don't care about it
     
     Hell, talking about the 2000 utopia. Back then as a kid I used to browse countless pokémon fan websites in French. In freaking French, thousands of these existed, what should be a smallish language only spoken in a handful of countries, yet there were thousands of them made by kids and young adult. Nowadays the website WYSIWYG tools haven't been updated in 12-15 years and Seamonkey Composer is utterly broken to the level where i can't even ctrl + F on Linux in it. How the hell am I supposed to make a website without being a programmer nowadays? Even something simple
     
     The current status quo is shit. Make the Internet great, like the 2000s used to be
   • sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:12:17 JST sj_zero

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     Over generations, I think people will have to figure out how to deal with the Internet and smart devices. I personally think the way every kid has a smartphone is the wrong way and I don't think kids should have such dangerous devices.
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:12:47 JST Moon

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     @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage @rms there are working systems for verifying age without revealing identity but there are a variety of reasons that they won't ever be used, including that both social media companies and the government want to track you all the time.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:17:18 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Moon @mangeurdenuage @rms The thing is that, sit down for a moment and think about it. It's impossible ti verify age via facial recognition and ID and co without revealing identity. They'd need to erase the data immediately after the verification and they probably couldn't for legal reason and the gov could always swoop in and go *wink wink*
     
     I cannot think of a single system that could work
     
     If the parents really don't wanna parent, they need measures to not screw up the Internet like this while making sure it's difficult for kids to access these websites. Involving schools for one could probably be one. As far as I'm aware, they don't even police smartphones anymore, they're not allowed to take them away anymore??? What?
     
     Here's the thing, allow them to take them away, permanently, because they're not legal for kids. You'll see those damn things disappearing real quick from schools and from the streets
   • sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:18:01 JST sj_zero

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     My next book that I'm working on is basically a course on how to use the freebasic programming language, but the scaffolding of the book is going to be about the history of personal computing and all of the little things that you need to know about how computers actually work.
     
     It is exactly as you say, a lot of kids are growing up constantly being praised for how good they are with computers, but in reality they're completely incompetent at computers and they're just good at Facebook or YouTubes app.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:19:46 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @sj_zero @rms @mangeurdenuage they're real good at smartphones, but that's like being real good at playing with that rolling toy phones with eyes (what the hell was that toy even) in my book. It's a toy OS and that's about it
     
     Bring back the family computer
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:22:35 JST Moon

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     @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage @rms It does require an identity verification system, but you build a token generation system where anonymous tokens assert age. you are issued the token and you submit it to the site. the site verifies the cryptographic signature and the token is anonymously submitted back to the service for revocation since it's been used. The site doesn't know who you are and the service doesn't know who you submitted the token to.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:27:18 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @Moon @mangeurdenuage @rms Well, I suppose you are more informed about these things than we are
     
     But I feel like they'll never ever do this without secret tracking
     
     I feel like banning the stuff for kids is a better solution as it doesn't mess with the Internet, it doesn't mess with the adults on it and it potentially solves a lot more issues in one go. What's the point of giving them the smartphone if we're banning them from most sites they'll be using a smartphone for? Navigating the web on non-apps is terrible. Also there's the problem of people potentially giving said tokens to other people
     
     If smartphones and tablets were banned for kids, said token issue would at least be only a "at home" issue then
   • sj_zero (sj_zero@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:27:58 JST sj_zero

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     When my boy is old enough to play on the computer I want to hook something like a raspberry pi 400 up to the living room TV so not only does he have to figure out how to use it on his own, he has to do it while everyone is seeing what he's doing.
     
     My nephew is a smart kid, and so I bought all the individual parts to build a computer, hook them all up to make sure that they were actually able to function, and then send him that along with install discs for Windows and Linux so if he wanted to be able to use his new computer he would have to figure out how to build it on his own and get it all configured and set up.
     
     I did send him a video on YouTube showing him all the individual little things so that he wouldn't be completely lost, but my understanding is that it was a pretty big challenge for a young kid but he did figure it out. You can imagine that his computer skills are on a completely different level than most of the people his age.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:30:15 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @sj_zero @rms @mangeurdenuage fantastic "parenting" btw
     
     I learned all of this crap by myself, thanks to wanting to play more videos games
     
     We were stuck with a donated DOS PC at some point, I was taught the very basic on a sheet of paper and managed. Then a Win 3.1 PC, I played around and discovered stuff. Then at 2000 we got a real computer with Win Me. Win Me, yeah, I had to learn to fix stuff if I really wanted to play these video games hahaha
     
     Damn Norton uninstalling bricking the computer. Had to attempt safe mode, then in safe mode I outright deleted the Norton install folder. It worked!
     
     Then later I had to deal with MS Blaster, I had to search the web for the information I sought, turns out it's x virus that does this, then search for the cure... all in trenches of 1 mins
   • FourOh-LLC (fouroh-llc@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:30:49 JST FourOh-LLC

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     Good luck with your work and your book! If you are not on the Brave network do it, and I will send you BATs.
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   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:30:54 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @Moon @rms @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage Yeah, in theory you could but we all know that no government won't make a system where tracking would either be in place or possible via making it purposefully weak/breached.
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   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:34:32 JST Moon

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     > But I feel like they'll never ever do this without secret tracking
     
     Fair concern.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:56:21 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @idiot @mangeurdenuage @rms read the other posts pls
   • Dumb Idiot Retard (idiot@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:56:22 JST Dumb Idiot Retard

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     @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage @rms Treating the symptoms but not the cause.
     >Problem: Social media makes money the longer you're using the website/application, PhDs in Psychology are brought on payroll to make websites as addicting as humanly possible for maximum shareholder returns.
     >Solution: Stop making social media addicting.
     >Actual solution: Repeal all laws and overturn all court rulings that got us to contemporary "line goes up forever" capitalism.
     >Government solution: Stop allowing kids to use it and rape adults that now need to dox themselves to be addicted.
     Fucking retarded. inb4 you need to give your ID to au10tix just to have an internet connection.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:59:22 JST cool_boy_mew

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     >Parental control
     
     That's the problem, we have all the parent controls solutions existing, various lock downs stuff, free DNS filtering, etc. THEY DON'T USE IT, part of which, doing so requires a modicum of tech literacy in the first place, tech literacy they don't have either
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 00:59:23 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @Moon @coolboymew @rms Or the source of trust is the parents instead of the gov. Avoid extra complexity of tokens, just have non admin session for your kid with a form of parental control have the session synched with the parents devices and they're the one validating browsing/chats.
     
     That is imo the fairest way to do it. But I think that it would be best to not allow kids to use tactile smart devices in their current forms as cool said, they're made for the lowest common denominator and it just dumbs people down instead of doing the opposite.
     But such rules should come from the parents and not the gov. Thus again it comes back to pedagogy. Except in education, this crap should entirely be removed from education on a legal level.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:05:20 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @mangeurdenuage @Moon @rms We don't need less dumbed down shit. The reality is that the tech literacy is so low now, thanks to smartphones, that they don't know the options are there, they couldn't use it if they wanted it and most importantly, they don't have the skill and literacy needed to understand exact WHY it's needed and how to actually properly mitigate the problem whether it's by their own hands of some laws needs to be made
     
     This is a thorough shitshow
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:05:21 JST mangeurdenuage

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     > various lock downs stuff, free DNS filtering, etc. THEY DON'T USE IT,
     I know. And they have no idea what these mean and they'll look at you with fish eyes if you try to explain it most of the time. So they need a simpler GUI for that without dumbing it down too much. Entirely feasible and it's something people demanded me often in the past.
     
     >tech literacy they don't have either
     Again a pedagogical issue :sadge:
   • re_l@ryona.agency's status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:05:40 JST Re_L

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     > without revealing identity.
     I think you can do it with zero knowledge proofs.
     You still need an identity provider that can be trusted but you don't have to trust every site you sign up to.
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   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:13:48 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @coolboymew @Moon @rms I know.
     
     >We don't need more dumbed down shit.
     I'm not saying to dumb it down, but if you tell someone that there's 30 ways of filtering, but you not only have to check your router but also the radio internet connection, and then you also have to filter bluetooth, and then you also have to filter the "apps" and then etc...
     Even tho they're all in reach physically they're all in various virtual locations and considering the current level if would be a positive to have gui that centralize all these functions without obfuscating, and I insist on the without obfuscating, what people are actually configuring remotely.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:13:48 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @mangeurdenuage @Moon @rms It already exists, it's called an MDM and there's actually plenty of free ones (for 5 devices) you can use
   • Leyonhjelm (leyonhjelm@breastmilk.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:14:02 JST Leyonhjelm

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     Smartphones are meant to be dumb appliances. The problem isn’t the proprietary so much as the surveillance they enable. Even if you FOSS the device the network is still a rat.
     
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:14:18 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @leyonhjelm @rms @Moon @mangeurdenuage pretty much, it's a side companion that somehow became the main thing. This is terrible
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:16:35 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @mangeurdenuage @colahpse @Moon @rms that's one of the reason I advocate for a law to ban them for kids. It solves the parents dilemma for them, it could also force a moral hyterial between the parents about it which would end them actually complying... for the better or for the worst, there could be side effects, but goddammit the parents absolutely won't do shit by themselves and doesn't have the skills to
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:16:36 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @colahpse @rms @Moon @coolboymew
     >because we've silently surrendered to the fact that most parents can't not give their kids phones and tablets.
     "BUT HE WILL BE ISOLATED BY THE OTHER KIDS IF HE DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME THINGS THE OTHERS HAVE"
     I can't wait to see the jump from a bridge trend.
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     Ideally. But I'd argue that legislation and Digital ID verification are only being floated as "solutions" at all because we've silently surrendered to the fact that most parents can't not give their kids phones and tablets.
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:16:50 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @coolboymew @Moon @rms They're all terrible tbh.
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     @mangeurdenuage @Moon @rms they mostly are, but it exists
   • Bricky :padoru: (thatbrickster@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:17:25 JST Bricky :padoru:

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     @mangeurdenuage Hate to be that guy but these are things that have to be imposed externally alongside the possibility of explaining why they are reasonable. My home network uses encrypted DNS with AdGuard Home, for example. Nobody will set up their devices in a security-conscious way so it's down to me to find the balance on limiting the side-effects of questionable apps without impeding their ability to use them. I'm thankful GL-inet offers something that simplifies this process. I'm not sure imposing it on the devices themselves is the answer though.
     
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     I ran lineage for about four years. The experience was terrible and you still get spied on
     
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     @mangeurdenuage @Moon @colahpse @rms then what's the solution?
     
     There's none because nobody is tech literate enough to fathom the consequences and you can't have the population be forced to attend tech literacy courses
     
     So if the parents won't parents, the actual best solution is simply banning the stuff for the kids before we get stuck with 3 consecutive gens of complete tech illiterate with no attention span because the parents won't touch the subject with a 12 feet pole
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:32:39 JST mangeurdenuage

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     >It solves the parents dilemma for them
     Even if it can be I don't think that treating the population like mindless cattle to be a solution. I mean it's what the wef and current govs do and it doesn't result in anything positive.
   • Moon (moon@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:35:02 JST Moon

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     @coolboymew @mangeurdenuage @colahpse @rms freedom means you have to let a hostile foreign country mentally enslave your entire juvenile population.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:39:05 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @mangeurdenuage @Moon @colahpse @rms Basically in the end, it's the absolute best solution if you have to weight them, it doesn't mess with the Internet at large, it doesn't mess with adults, it doesn't put a massive surveillance apparatus, we'll get the kids off our backs for most of the day now on the web (thank god), they'll get to disconnect from it at at school and outside like we used to, and if they push social stuff right, we'll get back the family computer, computer classes and some minimal level of tech literacy back
     
     IMO, it is the absolute best solution of them all
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:39:06 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @coolboymew @Moon @colahpse @rms
     >then what's the solution?
     I do not know.
     I can only imagine a short term solution like the one you proposed but you'll also inform the population that a long term pedagogical program to teach basic hygiene tech skills to the population will be put in place and that only those who have passed the course are not restricted anymore.
     This would only be efficient if the course trains people on free/libre systems tho, if people are trained on proprietary crap they'll be progressively screwed as we have witnessed in our own lifetime.
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:40:26 JST mangeurdenuage

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     >but these are things that have to be imposed externally
     I don't see this being respected by the population. They'll have no clue what to do. There will be a gorillion of so called techs, who will want to sell scam/non working/snooping solutions worsening the whole situation.
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     @mangeurdenuage That's not what I'm proposing. I've not known a time where there's been so much choice in what I can use to self-host or self-admin stuff at home. You have to make people care, not by persuasion, but by showing what's possible in reality. Essays on the dangers of black boxes aren't read by the people who will make the most impact.
     
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:44:21 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @mangeurdenuage @Moon @colahpse @rms no it won't. We'll have a better level of tech literacy, but how many years until MOST people would be this tech capable? Would things just immediately slide back into idiocracy when it's removed? This is not something that will be solved in even 10 years I think, it would, at the minimum, take an entire lifetime, if any
   • mangeurdenuage (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:44:22 JST mangeurdenuage

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     @coolboymew @Moon @colahpse @rms But you have to combine both short and long term solutions.
     The law will become useless when everyone will have the knowledge they need to have which is a good thing imo.
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:50:17 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @colahpse @rms @Moon @mangeurdenuage compared to what? The shit who are pretty much already or are about to encroach into the web anyways and will fuck us all into the process already?
   • Passenger (colahpse@bae.st)'s status on Sunday, 04-Feb-2024 01:50:18 JST Passenger

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     @rms @Moon @mangeurdenuage
     
     >best solution
     Bullshit. There's no guarantee that shit won't encroach onto the web anyway. Slippery slope and all