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1. menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jan-2024 22:47:56 JST menherahair
   post-immersive sim: game with heavy mechanic driven emergent gameplay where the mechanics are not intuitive; you have to learn to think from scratch
   non-immersive sim: ?????
   •  (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jan-2024 22:47:53 JST 

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     @menherahair Second one sounds like a pre-immersive sim. Like Half-Life where you could only move boxes in a single direction without full control of their placement since there wasn't a proper prop physics engine back then.
   • menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jan-2024 22:47:55 JST menherahair

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     let's try to define it at the guts instead: stacking boxes
     immersive sim: you can stack boxes and jump on them to reach places and obstruct paths
     post-immersive sim: you can stack boxes, but they may behave like magnets, or differently depending on the number
     
     non-immersive sim: you can move boxes, but you can't stack them? they may still be used to reach places and obstruct paths? eg, they clip through themselves and you, but if something walks into them they still do something
   • menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jan-2024 23:24:06 JST menherahair

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     @mint that's just a lacking feature. maybe the trick is to make the absence into one
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