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1. Eric Eggert (yatil@toot.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 04-Feb-2023 15:36:45 JST Eric Eggert

   Google astroturfing open web folks into fighting to broaden their reach and strengthen their monopolies is a genius bit of web policy. I hope the open web can survive it.

   • Adrian Cochrane (alcinnz@floss.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Feb-2023 15:38:37 JST Adrian Cochrane

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     @yatil Here's a tweet that comes to mind:

     "Safari is buggy" is a valid criticism.

     "Safari is behind Chrome in features" is not a valid criticism.

     Never forget that the browser vendors, including Google and Apple, seized control of the web from the W3C. These few companies have too much power over the web, period.

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     I archived the thread anonymously here: https://argonaut-constellation.org/2022/12/18/retweet-browser-complexity.html

   • Eric Eggert (yatil@toot.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 04-Feb-2023 15:57:00 JST Eric Eggert

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     • Adrian Cochrane

     @alcinnz Yeah. I think people don’t realize how much Google is bullying features into the “open web” and then screams and complains that other browsers don’t support it.

     The kerfuffle around “cohorts” for tracking shows that they don’t care about W3C or anything.

   • Eric Eggert (yatil@toot.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 04-Feb-2023 16:38:26 JST Eric Eggert

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     • Adrian Cochrane
     • Phil Sherry

     @philsherry @alcinnz Did I say that? I’m happy to have arguments, but “WebKit has not fixed my pet bug” is not one of them. All browser engines have long-standing bugs. That is actually an argument against the complexity. 🤷🏼♂️

   • Phil Sherry (philsherry@home.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Feb-2023 16:38:30 JST Phil Sherry

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     • Adrian Cochrane

     @yatil @alcinnz So all the accessibility ones that have sat there untouched for ages are fixed now? Cool.

     Adrian Cochrane repeated this.
   • Eric Eggert (yatil@toot.cafe)'s status on Saturday, 04-Feb-2023 16:38:31 JST Eric Eggert

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     • Adrian Cochrane
     • Phil Sherry

     @philsherry @alcinnz There are bug fixes in every release of WebKit, but sure. https://webkit.org/blog/13691/webkit-features-in-safari-16-3/

   • Phil Sherry (philsherry@home.social)'s status on Saturday, 04-Feb-2023 16:38:32 JST Phil Sherry

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     • Adrian Cochrane

     @yatil @alcinnz And yet when Safari people ask “Which new features should we add?”, my response of “Bug fixes!” is never addressed.