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1. DJ Solomon (11112011@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 04:37:48 JST DJ Solomon
   u sound like a gomunist, what about free market?
   media_GEs3xq6XAAQKfWU.webp
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 04:37:43 JST feld

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     @11112011 They just want the government to swoop in and provide socialism for this smelter so they can say "look, the Republicans saved your jobs please vote for us so we can *checks notes* kill socialism"
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   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 04:37:44 JST feld

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     @11112011 here we go.
     
     > In 2021, the United States produced 908,000 metric tons of primary aluminum, significantly below peak domestic output of 5.1 million metric tons in 1980.
     
     Where were the GOP at when we dropped from 5.1 million to the paltry 900,000 metric tons? *crickets*
     
     > U.S. primary aluminum smelting capacity was 1.64 million metric tons in 2021. Domestic primary smelters operated at 55% of rated production capacity. Canadian smelters, by contrast, used nearly all of their 3.27 million metric tons of capacity in 2021.
     
     Guess that's what you get when you put hydropower on Niagra Falls. Canada has all that free electricity to use.
     
     So in reality we were only operating at ~50% capacity anyway, so the actual drop in domestic production was even smaller than they're claiming.
     
     > According to the Department of Defense (DOD), U.S. military requirements for aluminum represent approximately 3% of annual domestic production
     
     🥱
     
     Also the plant in Century’s Hawesville, KY produces the purity we need for defense
     
     God damn dirty liars.
     
     https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47294
     Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: repeated this.
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 04:37:45 JST feld

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     @11112011
     
     > The smelter’s capacity of 263,000 tonnes per year is roughly one third of the total US aluminium production of 894,000 tonnes, according to data from the Center for Strategic Industrial Materials at Securing America’s Future Energy (SAFE), a Washington-based non-partisan think tank.
     
     *capacity*, but is that actual production?
     
     > However, domestic production of aluminium made up only around 15% of total US consumption of the light metal in 2022, according to data from the US Geological Survey (USGS). The US imported 5.9 million tonnes of aluminium that year, with the majority coming from Canada, the data showed.
     
     ok so if this really is 30% it drops our domestic production from 15% to 10%. womp womp. Sounds scarier the other way.
     
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     > “The difference in [aluminium smelting] capacity can be made up from Canada,” he said. “It will not have a huge impact.”
     
     
     https://www.fastmarkets.com/insights/magnitude-7-aluminium-smelter-in-missouri-mulling-over-closure/
   • DJ Solomon (11112011@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 04:37:46 JST DJ Solomon

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     • feld
     @feld mostlikely 30% not acurate, they just make stuff up
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 04:37:46 JST feld

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     @11112011 LOL!
     
     > Magnitude 7, which acquired the plant from Noranda Aluminum in 2018, was under a consent decree with the state — along with a nearby coal-fired power plant — for sulfur dioxide pollution.
     
     > Because of the two operations, part of New Madrid County had triple the limit of sulfur dioxide in the air, putting it out of compliance with Environmental Protection Agency standards. The compound, a component of acid rain, can exacerbate breathing and heart issues.
     
     yeah that's pretty nasty.
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 04:37:47 JST feld

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     @11112011 that plant was previously closed and reopened in 2018. If the energy prices were lower they'd probably stay open. But I'm skeptical about this singular plant being "nearly 30% of the nation's aluminum". Looking for real data on that.
     
     https://www.kfvs12.com/story/38777626/reopened-smelter-in-new-madrid-co-mo-makes-its-first-shipment/
   • DJ Solomon (11112011@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 05:11:53 JST DJ Solomon

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     • feld
     @feld @jeffcliff looks gud tho
     Screenshot 2024-01-25 at 20-00-46 Our power generation Hydroelectric power – OPG.png
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 05:11:54 JST feld

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     @jeffcliff @11112011 accounting games are funny like that, yeah. stupid...
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 05:11:55 JST feld

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     @jeffcliff @11112011 let me help you Jeff
     
     https://www.opg.com/power-generation/our-power/hydro/
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 05:11:55 JST Jeff Cliff

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     yeah, i know
     i used to live in ontario
     
     they scuttled a whole bunch of renewable energy projects that were almost fully built/capital cost was paid
     just so they could start transitioning back to fossil fuels
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 05:11:56 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • feld
     > who has excess clean electricity.
     
     debatable
   • DJ Solomon (11112011@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 05:11:57 JST DJ Solomon

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     • feld
     @feld ur assuming they tweeting for ppl wit half a brain
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 05:11:57 JST feld

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     @11112011 I knew it was dishonest the moment he claimed 30% of our production was disappearing and this was some kind of national emergency. Dude couldn't even do 10 mins of research on the industry to figure out we massively rely on Canada who has excess clean electricity.
     
     Sure, we could bring back all the smelting we used to do. And we get the rivers on fire, the acid rain, all our photos get that free Sepia filter again, etc
   • Jeff Cliff (jeffcliff@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 05:12:28 JST Jeff Cliff

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     • feld
     yeah, and some of that no doubt is sold down south for less than the price of producing it too
     
     [incidentally americans can thank my great great grandpa for getting the ball rolling on building this capacity]
   • guizzy (in exile) (guizzy@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 26-Jan-2024 05:22:24 JST guizzy (in exile)

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     • feld
     @11112011 @feld @jeffcliff > 7,6 GW
     
     Quebec makes 37.2 GW in hydroelectricity
     
     (We need it to power the faxes in our healthcare system)
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