@Paulyfrog64 @Zerglingman Clashes between the Fed and states and disobedience, yes, widespread hot violent civil war no. In history every single time there has been a hot civil war it begins in earnest the moment the army splits in two. Any serious hot boogaloo requires this factor. And for an army to split the country's elites need to have a serious disagreement first. (Meaning some elites want to take all the other elites have)

Don't despair, we'll get there eventually, it just takes a lot more years of blatant political corruption, societal deterioration and general impoverishment.