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1. Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 18-Jan-2024 09:16:50 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

   installing arch is fun. and I mean specifically the kind of fun I had back in 2002 when I had a slackware ISO and nothing better to do with my time

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 08:30:15 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     I think the arch install guide may have been written by that guy who wrote the bomb defusal manual used on M*A*S*H.

     "remove the tail assembly, and carefully cut the wires leading to the clockwork fuse at the head"
     *next page*
     "but first, remove the fuse"

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 08:52:16 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Hugo Mills

     @darkling IBM always had an interesting approach to manuals.

     Like, I've got a set of the original IBM PC manuals, and they're in a bunch of binders but they don't put the pages IN the binders. they are separate. They expect you to take the pages and put them in the binders, and then when you buy official hardware, it doesn't come with a separate manual... it just comes with pages they expect you to add to the binder

   • Hugo Mills (darkling@mstdn.social)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 08:52:18 JST Hugo Mills

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     @foone Got to be better than the OS/2 Warp installation manual, which I think was written by Steve Jackson.

     "If you are installing from floppies, turn to page 92. If you have a VGA graphics card, turn to page 5. If you want to charge down the corridor and attack the orc with your PC/AT keyboard, turn to page 169."

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 08:53:57 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     installing old-style linux (LFS, slackware, arch) is like defusing a bomb.
     it's very tense, the instructions are incomplete, and you know that if you fail... at least it's not your problem anymore

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:06:16 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.

     @BoydStephenSmithJr I'm a hacker, I do that for windows 95.

     yeah it's an ARM chip and it only has 2mb of ram. who cares. I'll make it run windows 95 and then play Doom inside it

   • Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. (boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:06:17 JST Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.

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     @foone But, you can install it on anything: http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/articles/installing-linux-on-a-dead-badger-users-notes/ ;)

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:08:35 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     someone (maybe gravislizard?) once said that the problem with Linux is that it's for people who love computers.
     as in, macOS and Windows are for people who want to get things done with their computers, but Linux is designed for people who love the computers themselves, and enjoy Doing Computer Things.

     The computers are the point, they're not just the means to an end, they are the end in themselves.

     but then I used arch

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:10:25 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     I think Arch may be a Linux for people who:
     1. hate Computers, and
     2. hate the idea of people using Computers.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:27:58 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Drew Breunig

     @dbreunig I honestly believe that to a good degree. The best linux experience is a headless device you talk to over SSH and it never even thinks about graphics

   • Drew Breunig (dbreunig@note.computer)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:28:07 JST Drew Breunig

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     @foone AKA my intro to comp sci professor, who steadfastly believed the GUI was a mistake.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:29:14 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • FurryBeta

     @FurryBeta yeah I had a good time with my slackware box!

     I just installed it once and never updated the kernel and getting new packages was basically impossible, but hey, it worked for a while there

   • FurryBeta (furrybeta@shark.community)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:29:15 JST FurryBeta

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     @foone Installing Slackware is easy! Now getting updates from a https server, or updating the kernel might be a bit of a challenge

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:32:50 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • rnlf

     @rnlf because I have a job and one of the things the job told me is "hey foone go install arch on that system"

   • rnlf (rnlf@dosgame.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:32:51 JST rnlf

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     @foone The real question is, why did you try it in the first place?

     I do like to complain about Windows and macOS a lot, but mostly because other people make me use them.

     I doubt anyone forces you to use Arch, so why bother? There are so many other systems to pick from, many with a reputation of being easy to use.

     Arch is good at one thing, that's customizability. Customizability comes at a price. If you don't need that or are not willing to pay the price, why bother?

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:51:19 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Ghast

     @ghast admittedly I haven't tried to install slackware since, uh, 2000?

   • Ghast (ghast@liberdon.com)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:51:20 JST Ghast

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     @foone Slackware install is a little more convoluted than a *buntu. You can get it up in minutes.

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 09:53:01 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     I looked up how to get the package versions I need and the only result is a reddit post that suggests I check out 519 git repos and roll them back to the right revisions and then compile them all manually.

     you know you can just tell people to fuck off on the internet, right? there aren't swear police around. you don't need to crouch your hatred in "pretty language" like "check out 519 git packages and roll them back and build them manually"

   • Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 10:00:01 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • FurryBeta

     @FurryBeta yeah, that's basically while I installed it back then. I needed a home router, but needed a basic router, and had plenty of computers and time but no money. thus, slackware in an AMD k6 with two ethernet cards and a hub

   • FurryBeta (furrybeta@shark.community)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 10:00:02 JST FurryBeta

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     @foone I used Slackware 7 to make a home internet router once I got a DSL connection. Back then with LILO, the instructions were pretty good, and using FTP or HTTP it was fine.

     Jump to today, the ELILO (uefi version) or GRUB is a pain, and if you don’t have X windows installed and need to use a command line program, so many sites use Let’s Encrypt certs which isn’t supported by Slackware yet (at least at v15, can’t say about current). Figuring how to install certs was a joy (not)

   • vxo (vxo@digipres.club)'s status on Saturday, 20-Jan-2024 11:25:10 JST vxo

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     @foone I have at least one arch system that even hates itself. Power went out while it was updating and it's just in a state of thinking its 1 year old packages are all up to date. I think it got stuck in a time warp and I'm hoping that if I try to fix it, it'll open a portal to 1995 and I can go to Radio Shack and buy cool stuff

   • vxo (vxo@digipres.club)'s status on Monday, 22-Jan-2024 00:12:28 JST vxo

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     @foone honestly i feel like i could use "go check out 519 git packages and roll them back and build them manually, you bellend" as a substitute for "fuck off" but it'd be very very wordy. hmm.

     maybe i'd just stick with "you bellend" ;)