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1. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 06:58:15 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
   > It illegal to possess a still or distilling apparatus without registering it with authorities.
   
   Almost Heaven... almost
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:09:11 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Niclas Hedhman
     @niclas if you make (or pay cash for) a still I think it would be easy enough to not register it. I wonder how many people buy equipment without realizing they need to register it.
     
     I'm just blown away by how retarded wv actually is on a number of issues like this. It's all about making sure the state gets their tax revenue from what I can tell, but fuck man I'm not even interested in sales. Just hobby shit. Right next to the warning about not registering equipment with authoritarians is a warning that transporting untaxed liquor is a federal offense.
   • Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 21:09:13 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     @thatguyoverthere

     20 years ago, they started the rule here that "To keep chickens, you need to register."
     Now; Inspections are carried out by the State, the cost of those are invoiced to each place visited. And it seems that the inspectors are scared of animals and incompetent in understanding breeding.

     If you just ignored the registration, no one comes to check and no additional cost incurred.

     IIRC, Germany did the same in 1920s; "Register your guns." --> "Come to collect" years later.

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   • Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 23:11:36 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     @thatguyoverthere

     In Sweden, owning a distiller is illegal. My dad had a special exception, because he sold (among other things) distillers for recycling solvents (printing industry). Those machines were "set" to a different temperature, and capable of distilling ~1000 liters raw liquid per day. People working in these places used it for alcohol on weekends, could be seen by worn screws to panel for temp setting.

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   • Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 23:11:42 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     @thatguyoverthere

     The national statistics bureau keeps special tabs on "Yeast sold". IF 50% of all yeast sold is spoiled, people in Sweden eat ~6-8 loaves of bread per day. ;-)

     A friend of my sister's got busted in the 1990s; He had 5000 liters fermentation going on, and was convicted of an estimated 50,000 liters of hard liquor sold over the years, with a $20/liter in tax evasion, another $50/liter in fines, and a couple of years in jail.

     His customers included police and customs officers.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 23:13:35 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Niclas Hedhman
     @niclas I have a really hard time understanding any justifiable reason for these kinds of laws. I mean I do understand that it comes down to tax dollars, but they pretend it's for our safety which is obvious bullshit.
   • Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 23:42:11 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     @thatguyoverthere

     I happened to have "Famer's Life in late 1700s" as "free project" in high school. And I found the origin to the strict alcohol policies since;

     About hard liquor;

     1. "One should not drink more than 1 liter before lunch, because one can easily injure oneself while working."

     2. Average consumption was 3 liters/day/person, men, women and children above 12 among the agricultural workers (both family farmers and hired hands).

     3. Hired hands got partially paid in alcohol.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 23:49:09 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Niclas Hedhman
     @niclas A shot here and there in the winter months can make outdoor work a bit easier to handle, but I think anyone but a hardcore alcoholic would acknowledge that limiting consumption while working at least is good with or without laws. I just don't understand how "should not overindulge" turns into "must not manufacture (or even own equipment that can be used to manufacture)" so easily.
     
     In the US, distillation laws seem to be rooted in the prohibition which was reppealed in 1933 at the constitutional level. From what I've always been told the laws around distillation are there to protect would be moonshiners from methanol poisoning, but after looking more into it it seems like that's kind of a false fear because most moonshiners discard the foreshots where methanol might be in highest concentration, and most of the methanol poisoning related to moonshine seems to have been spiked with methanol.
     
     Fruits produce the most methanol which is what is used to make wine and cider, and there is no law preventing me from making wine or cider.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 10-Jan-2024 23:52:27 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Niclas Hedhman
     @niclas a still can also be used to make essential oils and clean water. The laws limiting ownership of a still or requiring registration are even more outlandish to me than telling me what I can do with one if I own it.
   • Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Thursday, 11-Jan-2024 01:00:43 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     @thatguyoverthere

     Yeah, I am an anarchist (the capitalist type, a.k.a voluntarism) and have no sympathy at all for coercion in anything, especially people's personal lives. Just like the State can't leave the Amish alone in Pennsylvania.

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