@ChristiJunior Too bad the general American public is functionally illiterate, even if they weren't too castrated to dare utter any bad thoughts. Simply asking the questions that book dares to ask makes you a political leper, no matter how obvious it is.
@ArdainianRight It was actually cuckservative extraordinaire Rod Dreher who introduced me to Camp of the Saints. He went over some of the early chapters in great detail on his blog during one of the migrant invasion shitshows, and while he kept insisting that the book was bad (because racist), he also kept referring to and invoking it for years afterwards, openly admitting that it was prophetic.
@ChristiJunior Camp Of The Saints actually straight up includes a token based minority who points out the obvious retardation going on, and that it's not actually good for anybody. The reality is that simply acknowledging the general trends and the behavior of the herd, no matter how many qualifiers or exceptions you try putting on it, forces you to go into uncomfortable territory. Attack On Titan had to twist itself up into a pretzel to try to make the story slightly politically palatable to even the Japanese public for daring to tread in that direction. The entire worldview of the post-WW2 world is fundamentally incapable of wrestling with the topic, no matter how much someone might try to ease them into the hypothetical moral dilemma.
@ArdainianRight To be fair, AoT's ending did actually end up becoming effectively pro-genocide, both in the manga and the anime, even if it was through horrible, inconsistent and contradictory writing. Obviously the Akatsuki No Requiem ending would have been both superior and spicier, but from Day 1 my main problem with the actual ending was storytelling, not Message. AoT still ends up being something like a +3 and -2 on my Based Morality Scale, which is pretty remarkable for a modern mainstream success. It's just a tragedy than Eren as a character ended up being nuked from orbit.
Also, in Camp of the Saint's preface, Jean Raspail openly admits that he essentially had the West be destroyed because he didn't have the stomach for genocide, so he and Yams are more similar than one would think.
@ChristiJunior I would have a hard time finding the stomach for it myself. I can't even really fault them for that. You kind of can't square Western love of fairness and openmindedness with the practical reality of would-be infiltrators and lukewarm types greatly outnumbering the genuine virtuous minorities who would be trustworthy allies.
@ArdainianRight Ultimately, by being frank and honest about the consequences of non-action, Raspail still ended up preserving the novel's power and truthfulness, he just ended up with a very different story, which might be no bad thing - a cautionary tale about France and all other Western countries committing national suicide is arguably much more relevant and believable than a story where we overnight come together, purge the infiltrators and waste the Invaders.
@ChristiJunior I wonder how much of this isn't just the inevitable consequence of decadence and prosperity leaving us unable to uphold the virtues which built civilization to begin with.
@Elliptica@ArdainianRight Eren completes the Rumbling, but ends up killing Mikasa and/or Armin in the process, probably (but not for sure) the rest of the Alliance as well. Kid Eren's dream in episode 1 was actually him seeing a vision of himself far into the future, realizing what he has done, and being ready to kill him, until he fully realizes just how destroyed by guilt Old Eren is. Eren will be visiting the graves of his friends until the day he dies.
@ArdainianRight@ChristiJunior I find myself being able to stomach it more every day. Western fairness and openmindedness has done nothing for me but grind me under its heel. Let me run the death camps, I'll keep them running smoothly.
@ArdainianRight@ChristiJunior There's compassion and politeness for well-meaning strangers, and then accepting the abuse of guests, especially uninvited ones.
There's ancient myths of Zeus and some other gods in disguise going door to door seeking shelter and finally finding gone to offer sacred hospitality then revealing himself and killing those who refused to offer shelter to the traveler.
And then there's the Odyssey where Odysseus of 20 years away kills with his own hands those who tries to court his wife, abused his son's honor and took advantage of his house's hospitality.
You on a fundamental level owe nothing to the bad actor besides a blade in his gut for his ill intent. Whether he be a stranger or not.
@ArdainianRight@ChristiJunior Tptb are using what remains of the homogenus pre-modern social fabric to push destruction on the host nations of the human garbage they send. They're taking advantage of the innate moral desire of people to help their neighbors the next town over to settle in their lands because that town was sacked or sometimes letting a traveler stay in their barn or something to destroy the society from the inside out through praying on their goodness; no punishment is too harsh for these devils!