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Saying "The Civil War was fought over slavery" is disingenuous because it only references the motivations of Southern states for seceding and completely ignores the North's reasons for not letting the South secede, which were very clearly not driven by a humanitarian desire to end slavery. The states that initially seceded decided to do so primarily to protect the economic interests of slaveholders, but war did not logically follow from that, especially because the nature of the Constitutional union was very much disputed at the time. And the firing on Fort Sumter was itself a declaration that Lincoln intended to enforce a view of the Union that was very different from what was originally intended.
This is where states' rights and all the rest comes in, and it's also where important historical figures like Robert E. Lee come in in terms of taking a side in the conflict. Calling the Confederates "traitors" betrays a fundamental historical illiteracy about how they viewed the Union and their loyalties. The States were viewed as more or less their own countries that had agreed to a compact in which they would delegate some of their powers to the Federal government, and retained the right to withdraw from said compact. And so naturally the Confederates saw their states as their primary loyalty, and not the Federal government. And obviously individual soldiers had their own reasons for fighting, very frequently no more complicated than "It's our home." And often they had entirely understandable reasons for supporting slavery that had nothing to do with personal profit and everything to do with concern over the fallout of said institution collapsing(see what happened to whites after the Haitian Revolution).
Fundamentally the slavery line is about guilt-tripping white people into accepting their annihilation, same as most everything else.
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Note that most Americans during the era of slavery, including many who knew and personally liked plenty of blacks, concluded they were too different from whites for them to function as equals within the same republic, and, in the absence of a feasible alternative solution, defaulted to wanting their side to be in control so as to protect themselves and their loved ones from the dire consequences of the alternative. We're not allowed to acknowledge that our forebears were not stupid or malicious, but were simply ordinary people who wanted to preserve a homeland for themselves and their posterity, and their cause was about as just as any other in a harsh and cruel world.
The American race was forged from the leftovers of Europe, a people born into a world that had no room for them, and who had to brave hostile seas and wild frontiers to carve out a place for themselves, and through their toil they succeeded beyond what anyone could've imagined. They are a distinct people forged through this crucible, and they owe the rest of the world nothing for their triumphs.
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@ArdainianRight Secession? Yes among other things
The war itself? Not really
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@ArdainianRight i think the south jumped the gun on rebelling. they hadn’t exhausted their political avenues for keeping slavery. Also Lincoln wanted to send them back to Africa so Haiti isn’t a relevant comparison.
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@ArdainianRight Pretty good, but you're preaching to the choir. :akkoThumbup:
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@Floydian_Psychology @ArdainianRight First we need to turn back the clock on the Satanic, faggy 1960s and the egalitarianism that led to women getting the vote, then we can examine what other forms of "progress" need to go in the trash.
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@ChristiJunior @ArdainianRight If you read nietzsche properly you understand that all these arguments based on morality that the left and liberals have been making for the past 2 or 3 centuries can be thrown in the trash because they're just cynical attempts to make you hate yourself or to make you hate your own race which is another way of just making you hate yourself.
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@ArdainianRight Never forget that:
1) EVERY race has enslaved others
2) Millions of White people have been enslaved by nonwhites throughout history (Barbary slave trade anyone?)
3) White people are unique in terms of ABOLISHING slavery and ending the global slave trade
Whites today have less reason to feel guilty about slavery than any other group in existence.
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