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1. Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 15:48:05 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

   • cool_boy_mew
   @coolboymew To be fair unknown numbers can be fucking annoying, and I guess they didn't leave any voice messages.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 15:48:22 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @lanodan I hate voices messages so much that goddamn notification
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 15:57:18 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @lanodan it's just annoying to call the box, then having to listen to the options very slowly because I forgot, then choosing the message, then it going with the time and number of the caller, then the message, then the shuffle to delete it
     
     Urrgh
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 15:57:20 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew The part I hate about voice messages is that you're often still stuck with calling a slow-TTS voice server (except maybe on iPhones?) so you typically don't know who called. At least my carrier doesn't have too much of a bastard infernal machine.
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:01:36 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew Thinking a bit about it, kind of awkward that you don't get like a BBS-style interface on slightly modern phones.
     It's like 3 lines to display for the last entries and options, and it could render voice servers so much more accessible, like you could nearly use them while being deaf.
     
     I guess smartphones came in and now we must suffer webshit on imprecise slabs.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:05:52 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @lanodan If I just had a basic interface at all it would've been so much better
     
     It's kinda crazy that we have smartphone and we don't even have basic teletext level of stuff on them when calling at places
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:20:11 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew Yeah, it's specially weird that in France we didn't get a Minitel emulator shipped on our feature phones galakei-style (reminds me that my samsung feature phone has email without even apparently having 3G support, so probably Japan-compatible).
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:22:22 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @lanodan minitel emulator?
   • chris (chris@s.the-brannons.com)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:31:51 JST chris

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @lanodan @coolboymew Years ago, a friend
     of mine had an insanely great idea, replacing voice menus with Gopher. So if you
     called some company on the phone, you could deal with their Gopher menu
     instead of the voice one. There's your BBS style interface. We have a
     technology for making and displaying them easily. Maybe replace Gopher
     with Gemini. Or maybe not; Gopher was made for this kind of thing.
     Perhaps Gopher requests and responses exchanged over SMS?
     
     Voice and touch-tone menus could stay around for people who want them.
     Implementing them would be much simpler, too, because they could just be
     thin Gopher clients with a voice and touch-tone interface.
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   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:33:11 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel for the hardware (basically a BBS Terminal but cheap to gratis and with national servers, it was seriously widespread until the late 90's), some computers had emulators for this stuff with IIRC reusing the builtin modems.
     XTel is even provided as an example of such on the wikipedia page.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:35:03 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @lanodan ahhhh right
     
     Never got to touch BBS stuff
     
     Otherwise, going back to the teletext example, that stuff was probably mere kb and I do wonder if we don't already have the technology to send that silently and precisely through normal phonelines
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:36:59 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • chris
     @chris @coolboymew Both Gopher and Gemini would suck ass compared to a Télétex/BBS system and request/response over SMS would be terribly bad given their massive and unreliable latency.
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   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:41:34 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew We still do have the technology, I mean fax isn't getting away even outside of Japan, and there's some people providing their own Minitels servers via VoIP. (only thing shut down for the Minitel where the national servers dialed on numbers like 3615).
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:44:38 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @lanodan Yeah, but fax is fax, it does fax noises if you call it
     
     I suppose you could call it, it detects teletext data immediately and switch to the mode, but I wonder if we could have our cake and eat it too and have both normal voice and a teletext like menu
     
     However, IIRC the Videotron Vidéoway Teletext stuff was slow because the stuff that's sent, like the games, are put on a quick data rotation that keeps rotating and there wouldn't be this problem with phones I guess
   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:46:08 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Lord
     @lord @lanodan not on my phone at least
   • Lord (lord@pleroma.lord.re)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:46:09 JST Lord

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @lanodan @coolboymew on modern android your "phone" app is splitted in 4 tabs : "keypad", "recents", "contacts" and 🥁"voicemail" where you have a menu with your incoming messages and buttons to play/pause/delete them.
     You don't have to call your voicemail server anymore.
     
     Some operators even send you an sms transcript of your incoming messages (quite effective and sometimes even funny). i don't even listen to my voicemail anymore, this sms is enough 90% of the times.
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:46:44 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Lord
     @lord @coolboymew Oh, do you remember when that appeared? I haven't used android since uuh *checks CyanogenMod discontinuation* 2016.
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   • cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.club)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:47:53 JST cool_boy_mew

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     • Lord
     @lord @lanodan Canada, so probably never or I need to pay the "main" providers, instead of the fighting brand they fully own anyways, that are 4 times as expensive
   • Lord (lord@pleroma.lord.re)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:47:54 JST Lord

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @lanodan @coolboymew probably around that year :-)
     your phone and your mobile operator need to support it.
   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 27-Dec-2023 16:50:37 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew I think we could have both, specially on modern lines where there's a lot more bandwidth (Minitel apparently was 1200 bit/s down, 75 bit/s up; yup not even kilobits).
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   • LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 03:25:29 JST LisPi

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew @lanodan Through the normal phoneline we had that a long time ago.
     
     It actually got worse as far as carrying data goes, because modern digital lines enable much harsher (and accurate) lossy compression.
     
     It's why so much waiting music sounds like shit (it was never good, but not quite this bad before) and why using modems over modern lines struggle to get more than single-digit KB bandwidth if that; frequency bands outside of human speech get mangled. Telecoms became even more abusive cheap assholes.
     
     But yes, we had and have the technology. We just need to slap some sense into telecoms.
     
     The "modern" way of doing things would be to use MMS or something similarly mobile-only, which only ties things even more tightly to telecoms' support.
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   • LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 03:28:40 JST LisPi

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     • cool_boy_mew
     @coolboymew @lanodan Faxes did require some particular and targeted hacks to keep working on IP phonelines though (e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.38).
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   • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 28-Dec-2023 04:12:25 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • LisPi
     @lispi314 @coolboymew For Minitels it's being careful with the codecs used, and them being based on V.23 which is also apparently used for Caller ID in some areas (others it's DTMF) probably helps a bit.
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