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1. LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 01:25:01 JST LS

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   @Moon @Weeble @coolboymew archive org really shows what you get when you just "have everything", a sea of trash or extremely special interest with very few things that people actually want. Sadly nobody can ever do proper archive.org curation because their weird status of " yeah it's a huge copyright violation but we're so bad that et isn't matter" depends on them being a trashheap.
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   • LS (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 01:34:17 JST LS

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     @Weeble @coolboymew @Moon I love archive.org and I'm happy that they somehow managed to get the state's blessing to blatantly violate copyright, but it's not a end user service like Netflix
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   • Weeble (weeble@bungle.online)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 01:34:20 JST Weeble

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     @lain@lain.com @Moon@shitposter.club @coolboymew@shitposter.club I like having a record of anything and everything.
     
     I'm sure the hosting is probs a pain but having an archive of the pixel chix desktop virtual companion from 2008 makes it all worth it

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   • Weeble (weeble@bungle.online)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 01:40:08 JST Weeble

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     @lain@lain.com @coolboymew@shitposter.club @Moon@shitposter.club I mean when I go to a library I usually already have in mind what I want.
     
     I don't think some kind of suggestion system is necessary.

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   • Zettour (zettour@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 01:55:40 JST Zettour

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     @lain @Weeble @Moon @coolboymew They don't really have the state's blessing, it's just not worth the money and bad PR to sue them since they do very useful legitimate archival work as well that would have people rally behind them publicly. See their recent lawsuit from when book publishers that got mad that they started letting infinite people download "lent" books at one time. There was no legal merit to lending physical books out "digitally" (illegally scanned) to one person at a time either, but book publishers let it go until it was making an obvious impact on bottom line.
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   • Zettour (zettour@gearlandia.haus)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 08:04:03 JST Zettour

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     @clayvaulin @Weeble @lain @Moon @coolboymew Your point on value only matters for civil copyright infringement. Their purpose is commercial (Tax status as nonprofit isn't carte blanche) and falls under criminal, value of product is immaterial as there are statutory penalties that can be applied without that sort of consideration.
     
     Reproducing a product while securing away the original for someone remains illegal even if you restrict the ownership to one person. There was a court case 10ish years ago I can't locate where there was an internet service that would let you stream cable over the internet for a locality of your choice. Customers paid the company a fee as well as for exclusive access to a cable line so no sharing or duplication occured. Was found to be illegal and shut down.
     
     Don't get me wrong, I like Archive.org and OpenLibrary. They're just blatantly illegal in their practices.
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   • clay vaulin (clayvaulin@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 21-Dec-2023 08:04:04 JST clay vaulin

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     there is legal merit in lending books that arent available digitally, and if the publishers tried to get them to stop lending scans of books that cant be bought anymore then they would probably lose (as the financial damage would be nothing, no market substitute and the beenfit to the public is obvious). books that can still be bought (but are not on overdrive) is another legal grey area but im guessing the legal cost and bad press arent worth it for something that doesnt create enough profit to be worth digitizing/selling.
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