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1. Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:31:23 JST Derek Powazek 🐐

   Watching the drama unfold regarding Threads' promise/threat to federate with mastodon and all I can think is, why are we trying so hard to smoosh everyone back into the same place again? Communities don't work like that. Smooshing everyone together causes all the problems that plague internet communities. It's good to have separate places for separate communities. Stop trying to cram everyone together! IT NEVER WORKS.

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:31:16 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Evan Prodromou

     @evan @fraying Exactly. The idea of siloed communities is rather antithetical to Mastodon's mission and messaging. The whole point has always been connect to many places from one account. Of the 20 posts I scroll by on my home feed right now, they come from 20 different servers, some not even Mastodon. I don't have an account on each of them.

   • Evan Prodromou (evan@cosocial.ca)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:31:17 JST Evan Prodromou

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     @fraying The outlines of real communities rarely line up with the boundaries of social networking apps. The whole point of federation is that I can connect with people I care about across software and service boundaries.

   • Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:31:18 JST Derek Powazek 🐐

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     Point is, communities have boundaries. That's what makes them communities. And there's good reason to have the friction of creating a new account, agreeing to the community guidelines, and getting to know a new place. That's part of what makes communities communities.

     Maybe we should think twice before turning on a spigot we can't turn off.

   • Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:31:20 JST Derek Powazek 🐐

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     I know, there are lots of fediverse projects, it's not just mastodon. All of them are virgin hills full of gold and we're seeing miners with pickaxes on the horizon and it's SO WEIRD to see them being welcomed as if they're not going to mine this place hollow just like they have every other place we've let them take up residence.

   • Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:31:21 JST Derek Powazek 🐐

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     I fully understand what Threads/Meta sees in mastodon because it's what they always see: unclaimed eyeballs and the money they can make by selling those eyeballs to the highest bidder.

     But what do we get? We get to follow Instagram accounts here? THAT'S WHAT INSTAGRAM IS FOR. Why would I want that shit in my stream? Instagram fucking sucks.

     We get to be followed by the thirsty creeps on Threads? NO THANK YOU. Threads sucks, too, and if I wanted my words there, I'd post them there.

   • Derek Powazek 🐐 (fraying@xoxo.zone)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 11:31:22 JST Derek Powazek 🐐

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     It's also funny to me that the excuse for all that smooshing before was that the ad model demanded it. More people = more value = more expensive ads to sell! But mastodon is not ad supported so why the fuck do we want interop with ad-driven companies? Just to make us feel like big important adults? THAT'S WHAT THERAPY IS FOR.

   • Raphael (xro@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 17-Dec-2023 14:51:02 JST Raphael

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Evan Prodromou

     @Gargron @evan @fraying

     Isn’t there also the ability to block their content being visible to me and mine to them?