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1. 寮 (ryo@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 27-Jan-2023 09:35:00 JST 寮
   Canonical is really trying hard to become the new Microshaft.
   
   Canonical Announces General Availability of Ubuntu Pro, Free for Up to 5 PCs
   https://social.076.moe/url/90001
   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Friday, 27-Jan-2023 09:40:36 JST xianc78

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     @ryo
     >promises up to 10 years of security updates, as well as access to exclusive tools.
     >These include Ansible, Apache Tomcat, Apache Zookeeper, Docker, Drupal, Nagios, Node.js, phpMyAdmin, Puppet, PowerDNS, Python 2, Redis, Rust, WordPress, ROS, and many others.

     You can get most (if not all) of this shit for free.

     Either way, Ubuntu is dead to me. I recommend Linux Mint or Zorin OS over Ubuntu in terms of a beginner/normie friendly distro.

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   • Terminal Autism (terminalautism@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 27-Jan-2023 09:51:16 JST Terminal Autism

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     I have no idea what that is. And I'm proud of it too, fuck anything that ends with Pro, for the most part.
   • Terminal Autism (terminalautism@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 27-Jan-2023 09:52:15 JST Terminal Autism

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     Actually, there are video game accessories that end with pro for no reason, and if you own them, they instantly make you say, a professional Atari player. Those are cool.
   • Terminal Autism (terminalautism@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 27-Jan-2023 09:56:18 JST Terminal Autism

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     • xianc78
     I heard some pretty horrific shit about Mint in more recent times. But I guess even then, it can't be worse than base Ubuntu, right? Right?
     
     Unfortunately, as far as I can tell from what I read, "beginner" distributions pretty much all suck. None of them are reliable, and all of them are made by retards. At least the ones I looked at had some reviews that really made me not want to recommend them.
     
     If I was going to introduce someone to Linux right now, it would not be that simple. Would probably go with Devuan plus some explanations of how to use Synaptic, or whatever. And the dumb shit that it inherits from Debian.
   • Charliebrownau (charliebrownau@pieville.net)'s status on Friday, 27-Jan-2023 09:59:38 JST Charliebrownau

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     • xianc78

     @xianc78 @ryo

     I would recommend Debian with non free firmware over Ubuntu or Mint

   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Friday, 27-Jan-2023 10:01:19 JST xianc78

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     • Terminal Autism

     @terminalautism I really need to try Devuan. I would probably recommend that over Ubuntu, Mint, Zorin, etc.

     Most of the beginner distros are made to appeal to those who want an easy to use OS but are aware of the spying shit that Windows and macOS have. Many Linux users are just fed up with the shit that modern Windows has (universal backdoors, local accounts tied to MSN accounts, etc.), and have no desire to hack the kernel or whatever.

   • Terminal Autism (terminalautism@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 27-Jan-2023 10:32:46 JST Terminal Autism

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     • xianc78
     The main reason is that Devuan is at least stable, and it's less stupid than Debian itself (though actually, systemd has the advantage that all the tutorials out there assume that you're using it, which is good for beginners that don't even know what an init is). You can even read reviews, you don't see any complaints about the entire system imploding for no reason, or being slow as hell because of everything being a snappak. You see a lot of those for pretty much every "beginner" distribution, and comments about how the distribution isn't what it used to be.
     
     I don't know what's so hard about making a distribution for beginners, but no one can pull it off. Really, all you need is XFCE (if it's the most stable) and a GUI for the package manager and that's enough. Synaptic does the job, but I guess beginners would like something with pictures so they don't have to look programs up online just to see them. But yeah, that is the only thing that has to be made. How do they manage to screw everything else up?
     
     All that a beginner needs is a tool for installing programs with (just by being an interface for the package manager, not being its own package manager, apparently Manjaro did that, they went out of their way to work extra hard to make things not work), and a system that doesn't break, and maybe configuring the desktop environment a bit. Somehow even that is too difficult.
   • 寮 (ryo@social.076.moe)'s status on Friday, 27-Jan-2023 10:45:23 JST 寮

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     • xianc78
     From all the things I've seen when people started using Linux via Mint is basically like if Mint was designed to motivate people to go back to Windblows, because they just try way too hard to replicate Windblows.
     I'd recommend you start from either Devuan or Artix instead, saw way more success among those people, because both require you to adapt to the Unix way of doing computers, which has a bigger learning curve, but once it clicks you'll never want to go back to proprietary soyware ever again.
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   • xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Friday, 27-Jan-2023 10:46:55 JST xianc78

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     @ryo I'm using Mint right now. Previously, I used Xubuntu. I never had any motivation to go beyond that. The fact that modern Windows requires a Microsoft account to set up keeps me away from it in most cases.

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