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1. Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 13:14:23 JST Eugen Rochko

   #Threads is testing federation for a few selected profiles. I'm now following @mosseri! It's one-way for now, but it's exciting. It's a step towards the interoperable social web that we've been advocating for 🙂

   • sass (sass@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 13:18:53 JST sass

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     @Gargron @mosseri@www.threads.net can’t wait to follow @wendys@threads.net from Mastodon. Need all the square burger memes I can get… 😜

   • anion (ionisland@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 13:32:13 JST anion

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     @Gargron we can have an interoperable social web without the likes of zuckerberg and his ethically questionable and privacy invasive platforms. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt because he's already proved that he doesn't deserve it time and time again

   • Ingonymous (ingonymous@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 13:50:49 JST Ingonymous

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     @Gargron @mosseri
     it will always stay one-way, I'm pretty sure...

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 14:19:23 JST Eugen Rochko

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     If you’ve got questions about what interoperability with #Threads means, we wrote this up back in July, and you can still refer to it:

     https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/

   • Luis Carlos (luiscarlosgonzalez@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 14:23:14 JST Luis Carlos

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     @Gargron Eugen, I know I'm not the only one who believes that Threads will become the "MEGALOVANIA of the fediverse". If it happens billions (or milliards) of people will join. Gonna follow Mossery and even you on Threads. Also you can follow me on Threads @luiscgm20

   • Purple_Sky (purple_sky@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 14:37:35 JST Purple_Sky

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     @Gargron

     Sharing the same excitement! I've been waiting for this!!! I don't want to go back to Instagram but there are people I can bother on Threads 🤣 Yaaay!

   • Jeffrey Phillips (11thjeff@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 14:38:12 JST Jeffrey Phillips

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     @Gargron @mosseri
     lol, I can follow the big boss, but I can't follow myself. Ain't that just the way of the Valley...

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 14:46:16 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Joe
     • Harris✔︎
     • Andrew Eisenberg❗️

     @aeisenberg @not2b @VE2UWY Automatic migration as a feature is relatively speaking a moot point. Some platforms here still don’t have it either. If you can follow all the same people from a different platform there’s no barriers to switching to a different platform.

   • Andrew Eisenberg❗️ (aeisenberg@cosocial.ca)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 14:46:17 JST Andrew Eisenberg❗️

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     • Joe
     • Harris✔︎

     @Gargron @not2b @VE2UWY there’s no guarantee that threads will allow its users to migrate as normal mastodon instances do. I’m not hopeful that they will allow it, but I have no evidence either way.

   • Joe (not2b@sfba.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 14:46:18 JST Joe

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     • Harris✔︎

     @VE2UWY @Gargron I think the movement might well go in the other direction. Threads/Instagram users might realize that they can escape the ads and the algorithm without giving up connections to their friends. If threads.net becomes yet another fediverse server why not choose a better one?

   • Harris✔︎ (ve2uwy@mastodon.radio)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 14:46:20 JST Harris✔︎

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     @Gargron

     Embrace, extend, extinguish. Let's hope that flows in the correct direction.

     #TrustNoBillionaire

   • Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 15:01:09 JST Eugen Rochko

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     Make no mistake, this is huge for Mastodon. Currently people have to choose between X, Mastodon, and Threads, and network effects play a dominant role in that choice. If we can say, you can access all the folks that went to Threads from a Mastodon account, that makes it a far more attractive option given all of its other perks 😉

   • MJ (wpgne@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 15:05:24 JST MJ

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     @Gargron yes, I'd like to keep my home base here, but have access to the other platforms through the bridges. Hopefully, everyone behaves.

   • Jamon Bull (jamonbull@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 15:07:45 JST Jamon Bull

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     @Gargron Will Threads folks be able to see it if we @ them?

   • Andrea Grandi 🦕 (andreagrandi@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 16:08:23 JST Andrea Grandi 🦕

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     @Gargron this is a valid reason not to have a Threads account and just keep using Mastodon 🙂

   • ~Tilde #Gartenzaun (tildegartenzaun@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 16:29:30 JST ~Tilde #Gartenzaun

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     @Gargron
     ‼️ ‼️ Beware ‼️ ‼️
     https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

     @mosseri

   • HistoPol (histopol@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 16:56:03 JST HistoPol

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     • Scott Small

     @smallsco

     Can you see anything of this Federated #threads test account, Scott?

     My block of #Meta instances seems to work. 😀

     https://mastodon.social/@Cdespinosa/111575559190736599

   • Fubaroque (fubaroque@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 18:35:23 JST Fubaroque

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     @Gargron @mosseri Right, thanks for the heads up. Blocked the whole server straight away. #notinterested #bye

   • Xav (zav_@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:35:04 JST Xav

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     @Gargron My main reason why I am excited for this is that I will be able to browse threads trouh a third party Mastodon client 🙏

   • Mieszko Ślusarczyk (spitfire@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 19:48:32 JST Mieszko Ślusarczyk

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     • Steve Troughton-Smith

     @Gargron @stroughtonsmith I can see @0xjessel too

   • vruz (vruz@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 21:42:06 JST vruz

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     @Gargron @mosseri

     We don't need to inter-operate with the antisocial web that harbours fascists.

   • Juha Haataja (juuhaa@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 21:45:41 JST Juha Haataja

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     @Gargron @mosseri

     Is it enough to block #Threads from your account to do this:

     1. Open that profile.
     2. Block domain.

   • Elizabeth Moore (lpm1@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 22:09:09 JST Elizabeth Moore

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     @Gargron @mosseri Nope, nope, nope. I have an Instagram account and often get bombarded with Threads — see who you know etc. crap from there. I refuse to download it!!!

   • TeflonTrout (teflontrout@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 23:07:30 JST TeflonTrout

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     @Gargron @mosseri https://mastodon.ie/@davey_cakes/111578095588208885

     Nope. Not a fan. I don't want the kind of people that support whatever makes money to have a toehold here.

   • anarchosynthism (anarchosynthism@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 14-Dec-2023 23:44:39 JST anarchosynthism

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     @Gargron @mosseri Why is m.soc federating with an instance which hosts Libs of TikTok and Gays against Groomers? This seems like a double standard.

   • Marcus (gerowen@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 00:11:12 JST Marcus

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     @Gargron @mosseri That's cool. I can't see any of their posts, but it'll be cool to see when it actually rolls out.

   • Sarah Perez 💙 (sarahp@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 00:45:43 JST Sarah Perez 💙

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     @Gargron curious what are the select profiles? besides mosseri. How do we find them?

   • parrotcyder (parrotcyder@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 01:23:45 JST parrotcyder

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     @Gargron @mosseri defederate zuck

   • Les Blazemore (lesblazemore@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 04:52:19 JST Les Blazemore

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     @Gargron they make money from ads, while you deliver web services for free? seems odd doesn't it?

     I think what's needed is a 3rd-party app for Mastodon that does have ads, people will use it.

     If done right some of that money can pay for Mastodon's costs.

     People like ads, I've decided. Weird but I'm pretty sure about it.

   • Jeffrey Phillips (11thjeff@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 05:30:59 JST Jeffrey Phillips

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     @Gargron I really want to quote-tweet this sockless wonder. Please???
     https://www.threads.net/@mosseri/post/C01zMgWp4V-

   • helpstopcapitalsim (helpstopcapitalism@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 06:04:36 JST helpstopcapitalsim

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     @Gargron

   • Ulrich_the_Elder (ulrich_the_elder@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 07:30:44 JST Ulrich_the_Elder

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     @Gargron I know who owns threads and this is all I need to know. I do not want to engage with them in any fashion. If I cannot block their interaction with mastodon I guess I will be leaving mastodon as well. If I wanted to interact with threads, facebook, meta, truth social, or any other fascist social media site I would join those sites. I am here because I do not want to be there.

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 07:54:06 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

     in reply to

     @Gargron

     This is really disappointing, Eugen.

     Meta's track record on human rights is so terrible, Amnesty International issued a report about their involvement in genocide:

     https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/ASA16/5933/2022/en/

     This is the kind of company you're excited about working with?

     There is zero chance Meta is genuinely intetested in interoperability, they just want to take over control of whatever community the Fediverse has built up. As their CEO said, people who trust him are "stupid fucks".

   • Raghu Mishra (rmishra@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 09:20:03 JST Raghu Mishra

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     @Gargron Do you still trust meta? Their only interest is to harvest & sell user data. I am really concerned about meta creeping into our privacy. Are there any checks in place to prevent data collection?

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 09:41:14 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

     in reply to

     • Michael Fisher

     @mjf_pro @Gargron

     "they’d also block Threads users from…easily moving to their friendly neighborhood Mastodon host. "

     No.

     There is no account migration system on Threads.

     You cannot move your account from Threads to Mastodon.

   • Michael Fisher (mjf_pro@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 09:41:15 JST Michael Fisher

     in reply to

     • Fedi.Tips 🎄

     @feditips @Gargron Threads is going to lay in ActivityPub support whether we like it or not, because the EU won’t let them stay in business there if they don’t. That ship has sailed; nothing we do here can change that.

     What instance admins *can* do here is block Threads. If they do, they’d also block Threads users from…easily moving to their friendly neighborhood Mastodon host.

     Who would that help, and more importantly, who would that hurt?

   • wendinaokland (wendinoakland@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 09:43:34 JST wendinaokland

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     @Gargron As #meta federation approaches actuality, I’m feeling more nervous and skeptical that there will be any way to protect ourselves from an onslaught of commercialization and or bot-filled infiltration. Maybe paranoia, but it’s concerning.

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 09:50:09 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

     in reply to

     • Michael Fisher

     @mjf_pro @Gargron

     Meta will do the minimum amount needed, sabotage it, drag their heels and not apply it outside the EU.

     There is not even an EU law yet, and Meta will do nothing until there is and until it is enforced, if it ever is.

     There is no reason to trust Meta at all, they have done the most awful things:

     https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ethiopia-facebook-algorithms-contributed-human-rights-abuses-against-tigrayans

     https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence

   • Michael Fisher (mjf_pro@hachyderm.io)'s status on Friday, 15-Dec-2023 09:50:10 JST Michael Fisher

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     • Fedi.Tips 🎄

     @feditips @Gargron Yet. New things get rolled into old things in stages, that’s just normal IT development cadence. The whole point of the APub deal with the EU was that antitrust claims would be set aside if Meta tears down their walls and lets their users exit with their social graph. If they don’t fulfill that part of the bargain, they lose their ability to operate in the EU, yes?

   • Andy (amdu_t@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 16-Dec-2023 08:15:43 JST Andy

     in reply to

     @Gargron thank you for this. I’ve seen a lot of noise (and outrage!) today about how Meta will harvest user data from federated servers and insert advertising. I appreciate that you’ve addressed these points clearly in this blog for lay people like me to understand!