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1. dicey (dicey@seal.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 22:34:36 JST dicey

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   Russia once tried to join nato but wasn't permitted. They want to destroy russia since modern times.
   • FreedoingVlad (freedoingvlad@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 22:34:35 JST FreedoingVlad

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     @dicey @animeirl @icedquinn @11112011 @Grandtheftautism @p @Senator_Armstrong Trying to join NATO doesn't make Russia any better or more reliable. They wanted a piece of the cake and influence things, the western powers that be don't share though.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 22:34:35 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     @FreedoingVlad @dicey @11112011 @Grandtheftautism @Senator_Armstrong @animeirl @icedquinn
     
     > Trying to join NATO doesn't make Russia any better or more reliable.
     
     Well, the point, according to Putin, was that he wanted to demonstrate that NATO is an anti-Russian alliance, which NATO officially denies after the fall of the USSR. Russia's application was ignored with no explanation given.
   • FreedoingVlad (freedoingvlad@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 12-Dec-2023 22:35:03 JST FreedoingVlad

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     @p @11112011 @Grandtheftautism @Senator_Armstrong @animeirl @dicey @icedquinn Fair enough to remind me of the context.
     
     But that's merely a public excuse. Of course Russia knew NATO would say "no". They just wanted to play that game.
     
     If you allow me one more example: at the end of the "negotiations", Russia request for Nato to guarantee the safety of Russia, but the US declined. Negotiations over, 2 months later invasion.
     
     That's one of these games again. Of course the US isn't going to say "yes". It would imply freedom of "movement" for Russia in the Ukraine. No can do.
     
     It's all a stage.