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1. Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 15:46:19 JST Maholmire
   I have an honest question for some of you here. Do you feel that there really is a skill ceiling with Nix? That there comes a point where regardless to how experienced you are with Linux that you won't be able to master all that there is to learn and use with it.
   
   I'unno, could just be that IT was never my calling and the affinity I did has been barely enough to carry me beyond a clueless end user but never to the point where I can learn and absorb the necessary skills to deploy a home lab and made effective use of the resources available.
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 15:46:18 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     @Maholmire @pwm @p >skill
     >nix
     All it is, is a config file. Just like most things.
   • Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 15:46:19 JST Maholmire

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     CC: @pwm, @dcc, @p.
   • Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 15:47:43 JST Maholmire

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     You would think that, yet I've been unable to wrap my head around flakes as of late.
     
     @dcc @pwm @p
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     @Maholmire @pwm @p Honestly, go use something like crux or slackware and you will have a much better time.
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 15:50:04 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     @Maholmire @pwm @p Why not? you can install anything on a steam deck.
   • Maholmire (maholmire@crlf.ninja)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 15:50:05 JST Maholmire

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     Would probably have a far easier time using something like Arch Linux as a home lab, though I don't have much in the way of options at the moment. I'm on NixOS, so I may as well figure out how to leverage that to my advantage.
     
     @dcc @pwm @p
     Machismo repeated this.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 00:38:22 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     > Do you feel that there really is a skill ceiling with Nix?
     
     Not sure if you mean "*nix", "Linux", or the distro "Nix". I have nothing to say about the last one, but if you mean Linux/Unix, they're malleable.
     
     > barely enough to carry me beyond a clueless end user
     
     Secretaries at AT&T used to use little Unix terminals to fill out patent applications; according to Ken, this was the first business use for Unix.
     
     > never to the point where I can learn and absorb the necessary skills to deploy a home lab and made effective use of the resources available.
     
     I don't think that's the case; like, walk before you run, doing it in a container in a VM in another VM and then the port-forwarding didn't work, like, that kind of thing happens. It's possible, sometimes likely, that some shit is fiddly or confusing. In half the languages, I can't quite remember how switch/case worksⁱ: I have to look it up almost every time. Some shit is fiddly.
     
     
     
     ⁱ C: switch, case, fallthrough, break required. Ruby: case, when, no break, no fallthrough. Go: switch, case, no break, no fallthrough. The shell: "case $thing in", "*))", no break but clauses are terminated with `;;`. I know JS has it, I do not know what it *is*. Lisp doesn't have it, but cond does more or less what you want. I think Forth has it but I think you just use a lookup table if you really want that kind of thing. switch/case may be more like "if you've only seen one dog, it's easy to remember what color it was" but off the top of my head, I don't remember what the arguments are to get qemu to forward just one port.
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   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 00:38:35 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     > I've been unable to wrap my head around flakes
     
     Shit, you were talking about the distro. Disregard my previous answer: Nix is terrible. It was always a bad idea. If you listen to some guy ramble about his Fortnight Robolox and it doesn't make sense, that's fine.
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   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 00:39:23 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     @dcc @Maholmire @pwm Seconded.
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   • pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 00:40:12 JST pwm

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     @Maholmire @dcc @p That said, yeah Nix is a meme distro and you got got so don't feel too bad. Use something that works for you, try everything until you find it and then figure out why it worked for you
   • pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 00:40:13 JST pwm

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     @Maholmire @dcc @p It is always possible that you are too dumb (for now). But this is solved by diligent application to the task at hand. If however said diligent application is distasteful to you then perhaps you should find a different, more agreeable task to diligently apply yourself to.
     It is okay to not be a computer autist.
     Machismo repeated this.
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 00:49:27 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     > [Using Nix and contemplating Arch]
     
     This is bait.
     distros.png
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   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 02:54:45 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     @moesha @Maholmire @dcc @pwm Major organizations use COBOL, major organizations use Windows. I know some major organizations that put Ubuntu on a server on purpose.
     
     Anyway, the reason I have nothing to say about NixOS is that if I try to say a word about it, it will come out "neurotic fetishists" and "don't know how the computer works" and "they put a box in a box because once they opened the box, they felt dirty being able to see the contents" and I don't wanna argue with people about Nix being the Haskell of Linux distros and then argue more when people don't think that's an insult.
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   • moesha (moesha@yuga.surf)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 02:54:46 JST moesha

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     @p @dcc @Maholmire @pwm I know some major organizations that run off NixOS, it's worth checking out
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 02:55:11 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     @pwm @Maholmire @dcc He's at the level where he should be able to do stuff, he's just overcomplicating things.
     
     > It is okay to not be a computer autist.
     
     1v1 me irl
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   • istván (istvan@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 03:57:23 JST istván

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     @p @dcc @Maholmire @pwm I’m going to create you in Soul Calibur III and beat you up.

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   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 08:22:55 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     > Why does everyone have to be interested in what you, personally, are interested in?
     
     Why do you always jump to conclusions that do not appear to follow?
     
     Someone says "Well, he doesn't have to get good with computers" and I respond by challenging the man to a fight. This should probably read as a joke.
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   • Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 08:22:56 JST Hyolobrika

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     Why does everyone have to be interested in what you, personally, are interested in?
     Do you also think everyone should be a plumbing autist, a wicker basket autist, a late Cretaceous megafauna autist, etc? Why computers specifically?
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 07-Dec-2023 08:42:41 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     @Hyolobrika @Maholmire @pwm @p
     :creshaw: "What if YOU had no eye
     :george_shiggy: "We get it you have no eye"
     :creahaw: "YOU HAVE NO EYE"
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 11:33:32 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     > I tend to read jokes as meaning things.
     
     The joke there was "computer guy refuses to acknowledge that non-computer hobbies are acceptable". It's like the English declaring a place uncivilized because everyone drinks coffee instead of tea. I make that type of joke a lot, I go to a sandwich place and they ask if I want mayo or mustard on the pastrami and, as there is only one real answer, I'm forced to conclude that the proprietors are filthy heathens.
     
     That is about as much depth as you'll get out of this joke. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
     
     > Goodnight.
     
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     1-04_drugs_are_good.mp3
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   • Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 11:33:33 JST Hyolobrika

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     I tend to read jokes as meaning things.
     Also, the drugs are kicking in. Goodnight.
   • † top dog :pedomustdie: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 11:34:18 JST † top dog :pedomustdie:

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     @p @Maholmire @pwm @Hyolobrika DRUGS YOU SAY
   • pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist: (p@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 08-Dec-2023 11:36:56 JST pistolero :thispersondoesnotexist:

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     > I go to a sandwich place and they ask if I want mayo or mustard on the pastrami and, as there is only one real answer, I'm forced to conclude that the proprietors are filthy heathens.
     
     You know, on my second look at that sentence, I'm revising slightly: that is not a joke. Mayonnaise on pastrami is an abomination and anyone that puts those two things together is uncivilized and godless they probably got their occupational training from a witch doctor.
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