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1. of nothing (apropos@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 11:03:22 JST of nothing
   >don't say "I don't hate [race]"
   >say "I don't care about [race]"
   apathy is very easy to explain and understand and is incompatible with intense feeling that anyone might be worried about.
   
   By the way this is my lifetime's lucky TEN THOUSANDth minor adjustment to how I talk about race. This is the glory of being a modern person. Past a few centuries ago you probably wouldn't think about this ever, apart from learning that the name for "guy too dumb to even speak right" is something like barbarian or немец.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 11:03:17 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • PonyPanda
     • Clara Listensprechen
     @apropos @PonyPanda @ClaraListensprechen4 this is the problem. People listen or read enough to emote not understand.
   • of nothing (apropos@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 11:03:18 JST of nothing

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     • PonyPanda
     • Clara Listensprechen
     @PonyPanda with @ClaraListensprechen4 she didn't even understand what I'd said, and went with eagerly misreading it as some words she'd pre-dismissed. Probably helped by some prejudice about FSE, the same way I guessed that she was serious - something I wouldn't have believed without the @qoto.org.
     
     This can happen in real life as well, but there are gradients here. A judge isn't going to block you and scream at you, and you have no need to talk with the blocker/screamer anyway.
     
     I called it a minor adjustment. It's not a solution to idiocy. It's just a better way to approach things. If you have to talk on race, don't talk exactly like all the other victims of the process have talked.
   • of nothing (apropos@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 11:03:19 JST of nothing

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     • PonyPanda
     • Clara Listensprechen
     @PonyPanda @ClaraListensprechen4 nah, avoidance is a proven strategy, and emphasizing apathy is part of that. It won't get you past some idiots blocking the road and it might not work if you actively go to college to talk to indoctrinated people, but it's also not going to harm you.
     
     Another appeal to it is novelty. Courses on being a POW or a hostage are useful here:
     1. you really want to avoid training your antagonist into doing the think you like the least. If torture is what works for the antagonist, then you're always going to get tortured.
     2. (less emphasized) you don't want to walk on the antagonist's well-trodden paths. A guy that's killed hundreds of people while they begged for their lives is not going to pause if you beg for yours. Words he's pre-dismissed are not even words to them, they're like animal barking.
   • PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 11:03:19 JST PonyPanda

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     • Clara Listensprechen
     @apropos @ClaraListensprechen4 you're over intellectualizing this. A normie/libtard hears "I don't care about black people" and they hear "I want to kill black people." They are not willing to wait for your hot take explanation before they start screaming at you/blocking you.
   • PonyPanda (ponypanda@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 11:03:20 JST PonyPanda

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     • Clara Listensprechen
     @apropos @ClaraListensprechen4 I don't know why you're effortposting a reply but I hope you've learned that there's no clever incantation you can cast to ward off pozzed bullshit.
   • of nothing (apropos@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 11:03:21 JST of nothing

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     • Clara Listensprechen
     @ClaraListensprechen4 the brackets in my post are meaningful. They mean that you should substitute apathy for lack of hate when a particular race is mentioned. How deeply do you care about the Thai people? Probably, you don't at all. Just to more effectively communicate this, you should not waste time talking about feelings you don't have.
     
     For racial injustice: I don't like injustice, and I don't really care what flavor it comes in. Lots of anti-white racism out there. Israeli politicians manage to say shocking stuff even when you carefully assume that they're always talking about Hamas specifically. Injustice overall is sky-high and gets a lot more overt when it's about hated classes or occurs in a district devoid of political balance like Washington DC.
   • Clara Listensprechen (claralistensprechen4@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Dec-2023 11:03:22 JST Clara Listensprechen

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     @apropos
     If you don't care about race then you give racial injustice a pass. Welcome to my BLOCKED list.