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1. Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Thursday, 30-Nov-2023 21:33:34 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:
   Yesterday I was moving some things around in my garage and I found a stud which appears to have rotted away some time ago at the base, and someone decided that it would be enough to shoot a few nails through it into a small (approximately 1.5') board next to it instead of just butting a full stud next to it the full height. I guess it was enough because it's still holding fine. The wood is real dimensions not modern dimensions and pretty solid stuff, but the studs are not even on a consistent center but they are all about 20" or more apart. It's weird that they wouldn't just go the full stud, and looking at it I only see nails going through one side. Maybe there was a lumber shortage.
   
   It's possible the nails are just backing up some glue, but I still probably would have shot nails in from both sides and gone the full length myself.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2023 00:19:38 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Niclas Hedhman
     @niclas this was more likely homeowner repairs. It may have even been my dad but I would think he would also butt a whole stud up to the old one. The house is over a hundred years old and I suspect the garage isn't far behind. This "repair" is new enough to be a 1.5" 2x but it's still pretty old.
   • Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2023 00:19:39 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     @thatguyoverthere
     "Byggfusk" -> A short and common Swedish word for construction fraud (even if the fraud is against oneself). AFAIK, no other industry has such word.

     And basically 1 million apartments built in the late 60s had to be torn down 20 years later because of it.

     And that is in the West. Look at China and one marvel how corrupt the attitude about this is.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2023 00:26:46 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Niclas Hedhman
     @niclas is it really fraud if it's not there to fuck anyone over though?
     
     The reason I think it probably was done by a previous owner is he was a damn professional. It's part of why I am often hesitant to do any remodeling or make huge changes to things he did around here. We bought the house in a condemned state and the guy who lived here before us was literally tearing parts of the house out for entirely unknown reasons. The garage was filled with shit almost all of my childhood so it wasn't getting much attention I would imagine.
   • Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2023 00:26:47 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     @thatguyoverthere

     I know what you mean. My dad did the same thing, and we are now trying to figure out how to save the house.

     My point is that the "byggfusk" word EVEN applies when you do it to yourself, often consciously with the qualifier "for now".

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2023 01:08:23 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Niclas Hedhman
     @niclas I have the skills myself. I used to frame houses. Honestly this one stud is more amusing than anything. There is no sag due to the shoddy repair. The garage is built with old lumber. That one stud could probably be removed with no impact in the structure at all. It does mean I might need to look around a little closer but this is an old place and restoration is almost always going to be better and less costly than tearing down and rebuilding.
     
     100k seems a bit high for a roof, especially if you have the capacity to eat some of the labor costs doing the work on your own or with as you say experienced family members and/or friends.
   • Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2023 01:08:24 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     @thatguyoverthere

     In construction, cutting corners and saving cost is the most costly one can engage in. Like peeing pants in the winter, feels warm for a while and then kills you.

     I don't envy your position, and without cheap labor (i.e. family) with skills to do the right thing, it is often not worth saving, for instance, a garage.

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   • Niclas Hedhman (niclas@angrytoday.com)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2023 01:08:27 JST Niclas Hedhman

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     @thatguyoverthere

     Someone is fucked over; yourself.
     Again; in the Swedish literal mean of "fusk" is cheat, and in non-legal settings, also can mean fraud.

     What we are facing is that a few small fixes in the 1970s and 1980s have over time deteriorated the roof, very slowly. To a point where we are probably going to need to spend $100k+ on a new roof. All because my dad didn't want to spend an extra $100 to do the right thing back then.
     And if we don't fix roof, the whole house is gone...

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2023 01:17:42 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • Niclas Hedhman
     @feld @niclas I imagine they have rafters that need replacing too but that's just 2x material usually. The ridge or hips if present could be lvl or something more expensive but I still think 100k seems steep. Shit creeps up though
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Friday, 01-Dec-2023 01:17:43 JST feld

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     • Niclas Hedhman
     @niclas @thatguyoverthere $100k for a roof? what's it made out of? I was just saying the other day it would be cheap as hell to roof a house with PCB boards as your shingles
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