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@Midwit @PurpCat @ins0mniak @m0xEE @olmitch
> Really? So National Socialist Germany and the Soviet Union were essentially the same thing?
No, they were not. They were different countries. They were, however, under political systems with no meaningful distinction.
If you have something to say, say it.
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@Midwit @PurpCat @ins0mniak @m0xEE @olmitch Your useless slogan depends on your definition of "the people" and even then, you'd have to have a very narrow definition. It sounds like you read the brochure for one and a critique of the other.
Hitler, without even a plurality of the vote, seized control of the coalition and the Reichstag and had himself made dictator with a gun to the rest of the legislature's head. You do not purges nor public executions nor a Gestapo if what you are doing is "good for the people". The "Ideas so good they have to be mandatory" joke applies. Whatever the Nazi pigs had to say about the strength and the will of the German people was undercut by the iron grip they needed to maintain around the German people's throat, and they were very selective about who counted as the German people. Heisenberg was declared a "white Jew" by the press because he ignored "Deutsche Physik" (the kraut version of Lysenkoism); it turns out, of course, that Deutsche Physik was completely useless and quantum mechanics is an accurate enough model of the universe to build the bombs that we should have dropped on Berlin twice instead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and has remained the model we have used for everything that is small enough for particles to matter, or so large that particles become relevant again. Deutsche Physik is the perfect example of totalitarian degeneracy: nothing is permitted to challenge the state, not even the physical properties of the universe.
This is the issue with totalitarianism: it does not, and cannot, accept a limit to the authority of the state. It cannot even survive ridicule. Anyone living under such a system either accepts serfdom and eternal subservience, or they are executed. Fine for krauts; I'm a goddamn American. It doesn't matter if it calls itself "communism", "national socialism", "democratic socialism", it's a brutal theft of your future, your children's future, it's a social lobotomy, it's discarding your humanity and for what? Nazism has yet to deliver anything, even material prosperity or safety. So your suggestion is that everyone trade their soul for a crater? And your justification for this is a slogan? Are you goddamn retarded?
There was one important difference between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia: Trotsky, who wanted total war until global communism was achieved, was ousted by Stalin, who was a bit more conservative about which places to invade and what to do once he was there, so the USSR lasted longer than Nazi Germany.
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@p @PurpCat @ins0mniak @m0xEE @olmitch National Socialism was good for the people. Communism was good for the people in charge.
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@Midwit @PurpCat @ins0mniak @m0xEE @olmitch That's the dumbest shit I've heard before and I have heard it a million times.
> You're an American, what does that even mean nowadays?
The fuck do you think it means?
> Any black, brown, or yellow thing can crawl in and be an American.
Yer a kraut fed, yer one of those guys the BMBF is paying by laundering orders through the BNF.
> Birth rates increased under National Socialism.
You disingenuous cunt, birth rates here increased after the war: correcting the cause of an economically disastrous treaty combined with the end of the great depression definitely had nothing to do with it. The US didn't change governments, did we have a huge increase in birthrate? Like some sort of baby boom?
And the sheer number of people doesn't matter if we're talking about serfs rather than humans.
> That's why it took the combined forces of America, Britain, and the Soviet Union
Nazi apologists always do this. The US didn't enter the war for quite some time, and Nazi Germany was *allied* with the USSR for a big chunk of the war. In fact, without the help of the USSR, Nazi Germany would not have been able to discard the Treaty of Versailles, and it would not have been able to take nor hold much of Poland. The reason they were able to get to Paris was an eastern border full of Soviet allies.
You think I've been operating this site for as long as I have and I haven't heard this shit before?
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@p @PurpCat @ins0mniak @m0xEE @olmitch Purges and public executions are absolutely good for the people. As was getting rid of the degeneracy of the Weimar Republic. You're an American, what does that even mean nowadays? Any black, brown, or yellow thing can crawl in and be an American. National Socialism is a theft of you and your children's future? Quite the opposite. Birth rates increased under National Socialism. And Germany was the strongest military on Earth. That's why it took the combined forces of America, Britain, and the Soviet Union to defeat a country the size of Texas.
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@amerika @Midwit @PurpCat @ins0mniak @m0xEE @olmitch :lovethesmellofnapalminthemorning:
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@Midwit @p @PurpCat @ins0mniak @m0xEE @olmitch
The question is one of time.
It worked... for how long?
Much of their early success came from (1) stopping the state from doing the really stupid stuff it had been doing (2) streamlining the welfare state and, most importantly, (3) going back to supply-side economics.
Deporting Jews and gypsies was a sane idea but it morphed into a crazy slave labor program.
Starting WW2... they got duped into it, perhaps, but they were going on a path that would obviously end that way.
Hitler was butthurt over WW1 -- I find it hard to blame him -- and tried for a rematch.
WW1/2 and Civil War stuff makes me queasy anyway. I like to read about Vietnam because I think killing Communists is a path to sainthood.
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@p @Midwit @PurpCat @ins0mniak @m0xEE @olmitch
If we were to take the good from Nazism and discard the rest, we would be left with supply-side economics, ethno-nationalism, and a national parks program.
That could be integrated into a less unstable and failure-prone system. Also a less repressive one.
It is not possible to defeat anarchistic impulses of a population through authoritarianism.
Only by building a system that rewards the good and yeets the bad, like nature.
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@amerika @Midwit @PurpCat @ins0mniak @m0xEE @olmitch
> the Nazis recruited most from ex-Communists.
Yeah, it's easier to swich flavor of radical politics rather than switch to something else.
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@p @amerika @Midwit @PurpCat @ins0mniak @m0xEE @olmitch
Did you know that international socialists, and national socialists, being just a single point of contention apart, both invented in the same area, at the same time, and among the same people largely shared demographics? Isn't that wild?
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@p @Midwit @PurpCat @ins0mniak @m0xEE @olmitch
We should also mention here what Junger noted: the Nazis recruited most from ex-Communists.
No wonder they had a mechanistic, bureaucratic, approach to life.
This ultimately made a system that could not adapt in the small, and that paralysis began creeping up toward Hitler.
He was, in the end, an artist. Those are really good at appealing visions and terrible at reality.
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