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1. Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 02:59:15 JST Aral Balkan

   Just updated a server I hadn’t touched in over six years from Ubuntu 16.04 → 18.04 → 20.04 → 22.04 and it all went smoothly; not a single issue.

   I can’t wait for a server with Fedora Silverblue-style upgrades (CoreOS?) that’s supported by the major VPS providers in default images. Tried a while back to get Hetzner to support CoreOS but the process appears somewhat stuck:

   https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1324

   #web #dev #ops #rpmOstree #noOps #autoUpdates

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 03:06:33 JST Aral Balkan

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     Scratch that, spoke too soon. The final install also succeeded but now the box won’t reboot. So all was well until 20.04 and 20.04 → 22.04 borked it.

     Fun times.

     Can’t even get an ssh shell in.

     Meh, rebuild from scratch it is then, I guess.

     :awesome: 👍

     #web #dev #ops #rpmOstree #noOps #autoUpdates

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 03:07:18 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Adriano

     @adriano See update: https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/111455526878453643 ;)

   • Adriano (adriano@lile.cl)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 03:07:19 JST Adriano

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     @aral Not gonna tag them here, but some people have installed Ubuntu and had *all* of the troubles. You got the nice side of the karma stick.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 03:13:05 JST Aral Balkan

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     Right, managed to get a diagnostic console up and it looks like the problem is a kernel panic: ‘System is deadlocked on memory’.

     Appears my server had 512MB and 22.04 requires a minimum of 1GB.

     Upgrading the server now…

     🤞

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 03:15:23 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Sexybiggetje🐖

     @martijn Of course :)

   • Sexybiggetje🐖 (martijn@ieji.de)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 03:15:25 JST Sexybiggetje🐖

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     @aral but you made backups 🎉

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 03:20:00 JST Aral Balkan

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     🎉 Right, all good, it was the lack of memory.

     So keep in mind if you’re going to update a server that has 512MB memory from Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04 that 22.04 requires a minimum of 1GB to boot.

     It would be a neat if, say, oh, I don’t know, if do-release-upgrade actually checked how much memory your system has and told you that before carrying out the upgrade and throwing you into a kernel panic on first boot.

     #ubuntu #systemRequirements #deadlockedOnMemory

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 03:21:24 JST Aral Balkan

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     • schrotthaufen

     @schrotthaufen Haha, good guess but see https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/111455552660300520

     (And https://www.savethechildren.org/us/where-we-work/west-bank-gaza, please and thank you) ;)

   • schrotthaufen (schrotthaufen@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 03:21:25 JST schrotthaufen

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     @aral I’m betting USD 10 to a charity of your choice it’s either the ifupdown -> netplan.io migration, or a renamed network interface.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 17:26:57 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Gytis Repečka
     • KasTas

     @KasTasMykolas @gytis Wow, doesn’t sound like fun. So happy with Fedora Silverblue being rock solid for the last few years.

   • KasTas (kastasmykolas@river.group.lt)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 17:27:09 JST KasTas

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     • Gytis Repečka

     @gytis @aral *sigh* not even releases. Security update just bumping minor number of single package - *BAM* - all the USB cameras just stopped working.

     Another "security" update - oh You were using fstab, just because systemd did not yet supported one or another flag - *BAM* - you're screwed again with unbootable system... -.-

     The list goes and goes...

   • Gytis Repečka (gytis@fedi.lt)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 17:27:11 JST Gytis Repečka

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     @aral I never trust Ubuntu upgrades anymore - they break even on minor releases these days 😔

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 17:37:42 JST Aral Balkan

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     • Steve Purcell
     • flyinggecko

     @sanityinc @flyinggecko Sadly, one of the requirements for the Small Web is that servers are set up as quickly as possible. Under 30 seconds, ideally. The fastest setup I’ve found so far is on Herzner where you can get a base server for a supported OS up in roughly 3 seconds, which means I can get a Small Web place deployed in under 30. Can’t do that with a custom image.

   • Steve Purcell (sanityinc@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 17:37:43 JST Steve Purcell

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     • flyinggecko

     @flyinggecko @aral Yep, totally. And I've got a custom image on Linode, personally.

   • flyinggecko (flyinggecko@digitalcourage.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 17:37:51 JST flyinggecko

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     • Steve Purcell

     @sanityinc
     But it is actually really easy to just use something like nixos-anywhere or nix-infect. I have a hetzner arm box with nixos running at hetzner. Also, hetzner has the nixos iso for their cloud vms. But yeah, i can understand, why one wouldn't use nixos. It has a steep learning curve.
     @aral

   • Steve Purcell (sanityinc@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 17:37:52 JST Steve Purcell

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     @aral At the risk of being a bore, this is where #NixOS is great, because you can upgrade any number of release versions in a single step, and roll back if it didn't work. Admittedly it's not for everyone, and certainly not officially supported by many VPS providers.

   • Aral Balkan (aral@mastodon.ar.al)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 22:58:49 JST Aral Balkan

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     • schrotthaufen

     @schrotthaufen I’m assuming a number of people have been hit by this. And thank you for the kind donation :)

     💕

   • schrotthaufen (schrotthaufen@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 23-Nov-2023 22:58:50 JST schrotthaufen

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     @aral Now that you mention it, I had the same issue with the ntp server at work…