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1. 3dcandy (3dcandy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 03:10:39 JST 3dcandy

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄

   @jarocats @feditips regarding servers/instances then the issue with peertube is it needs a high level of hardware and decent bandwidth with all the costs that go with it meaning some sort of revenue is needed. Also if you want a Mastodon instance you can't go wrong with the mastodon.social one as that will always be around (well as long as Mastodon is)

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 03:10:39 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     @3dcandy @jarocats

     "regarding servers/instances then the issue with peertube is it needs a high level of hardware and decent bandwidth "

     Part of the beauty of PeerTube is that the more people who watch a video, the more bandwidth gets donated to the hosting server.

     When several people watch the same video at once, they exchange bits of the video between each other as well as the server. This reduces costs of hosting popular videos.

     (That's why it's called PeerTube: it can work peer-to-peer)

   • 3dcandy (3dcandy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 03:31:01 JST 3dcandy

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     • Fedi.Tips 🎄

     @feditips @jarocats of course, but in practice it doesn't work like that because most videos aren't p2p and it is being deprecated. Also for peertube to work well you need to transcode to various resolutions as well and that needs a heck of a lot of hardware. You cannot paper over the facts that producing and running a decent peertube instance needs a substantial investment, and I know I have tried. You rarely get any help from others watching as the traffic simply isn't there

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 03:31:01 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     @3dcandy @jarocats

     "You rarely get any help from others watching as the traffic simply isn't there"

     If the traffic isn't there, your bandwidth costs will be low anyway? The idea of the p2p is to help if traffic appears, isn't it?

     About the costs, I run a PeerTube instance and a Masto instance and monthly fees are broadly similar, at least in my case.

     " it is being deprecated."

     Is there somewhere with info about this?

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 03:47:21 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     @3dcandy @jarocats

     I'm using a managed hosting plan which allows quite a lot more storage, was thinking of possibly hosting for others in future. I'd mainly just set it up as a search platform though, true.

     It depends what you mean by substantial investment I guess!

     On managed hosting at least, costs on PeerTube seem about 2-3 times higher compared to Mastodon? It's much higher, but the donations I receive cover the costs of the instances so it's (at the moment) sustainable.

   • 3dcandy (3dcandy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 03:47:22 JST 3dcandy

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     • Fedi.Tips 🎄

     @feditips @jarocats the p2p functionality changed back in v5. This has been mentioned by the devs loads of times, the p2p functionality isn't being removed but as most instances don't do it - yours included as you only host 185 mb of content on your peertube instance which is to be frank really really low I can't see how you have relevant experience to comment fully. Running an instance with a low amount of content isn't what I am talking about. My instance has 66 gig of content!

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 03:48:12 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     @3dcandy @jarocats

     "but as most instances don't do it - yours included "

     I'm not sure what you mean by this? The peer numbers are there on my videos too. If several watched at once, the peer numbers would go up.

   • 3dcandy (3dcandy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 03:49:57 JST 3dcandy

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     • Fedi.Tips 🎄

     @feditips @jarocats also you seem to be confusing p2p and federated videos. You federate a lot of videos they don't necessarily use p2p. Federation and p2p on peertube are different. Most videos playback using hls and that is not p2p, but coming from the host instance. That is why you are not seeing huge costs

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 03:49:57 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     @3dcandy @jarocats

     I'm not talking about federation, but about the process by which simultaneous viewers exchange data with each other instead of via the server.

   • 3dcandy (3dcandy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 04:04:43 JST 3dcandy

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     • Fedi.Tips 🎄

     @feditips @jarocats Don't get me wrong - I understand what you are saying, but most instances now use transcoding. Once you enable transcoding then p2p is not used very much as hls doesn't really work like that. You'd have to have a copy on your server of the video for it to be a real p2p transfer. You have share videos enabled but that's not p2p because you and most instances have transcoding enabled. When peertube moved to hls streaming a lot of p2p was made redundant.

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 04:04:43 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     @3dcandy @jarocats

     If two people are watching the same video at the same time in the same resolution hosted by the same server, does that not trigger p2p?

   • 3dcandy (3dcandy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 04:06:10 JST 3dcandy

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     • Fedi.Tips 🎄

     @feditips @jarocats yep get that - but in practice it rarely happens.It's really really rare in fact, they need to be watching the same video in roughly the same time etc. It helps but not as much as you think, if you check the packets of data 99% come from the originating peertube instance. There isn't time to go into why it happens, we would be here for ages but believe me you are contributing very little in bandwidth to other peertube instances. Peertube has evolved beyond p2p

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 04:06:10 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     @3dcandy @jarocats

     Ahh okay, I get what you mean 👍

     Yeah, if there isn't much overlap between audience activity it won't make much difference. True!

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 04:07:44 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     @3dcandy @jarocats

     Yeah, I get you.

     I guess it's difficult to know how useful it is in the real world until there are mass audiences. At the moment PeerTube has fewer viewers so there isn't as much opportunity for it to come into play?

   • 3dcandy (3dcandy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 04:07:45 JST 3dcandy

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     • Fedi.Tips 🎄

     @feditips @jarocats how often do you think that happens in the real world? And that is what I mean... the peertube animation and most of the documentation is outdated in many ways. I'm not knocking it...but in practice it doesn't happen often enough any more.

   • 3dcandy (3dcandy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 04:17:33 JST 3dcandy

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     • Fedi.Tips 🎄

     @feditips @jarocats this is it. I'm not knocking peertube, it is fantastic and a a great product. But video has changed a lot even in 2023. And as you just said the traffic simply isn't there compared to things like youtube, vimeo, tiktok even - all of which rely on ads. As it grows we shall see - and at the moment it is grwoing but slowly. V6 and password protection will make it a much better way to get a revenue stream. Onwards and upwards! Mastodon needs groups as well to flourish

   • Fedi.Tips 🎄 (feditips@mstdn.social)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Nov-2023 04:17:33 JST Fedi.Tips 🎄

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     @3dcandy @jarocats

     That sounds fair enough, yup.

     Sorry for all the misunderstandings, I was getting wrong end of stick about what you were saying.