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1. George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽 (georgetakei@universeodon.com)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:06:49 JST George Takei :verified: 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏽

   Trump knows what he’s doing when he calls his enemies “vermin” in his speeches and online. He’s dehumanizing them. This has happened to my community twice in my lifetime: once during World War II, and again during the pandemic. It is so dangerous, and Trump knows it. He’s preparing his base to do things that you can’t do to other humans, only to subhumans. Be warned. Be vigilant.

   • realcaseyrollins (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:06:46 JST realcaseyrollins

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     @freemo @georgetakei IDK, dehumanizing anyone is rarely a good idea, and “doesnt act human” is quite subjective criteria.

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   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:06:48 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @georgetakei To be fair it is no worse than what the left has done to him. They have called him that and worse.

     That said I dont particularly mind dehumanizing someone who doesnt act human (compassion towards their fellow man)... So dehumanize away, at worst ill judge you on who you target (as im sure Trump is targeting anyone who doesnt support him it is that aspect that speaks against him for me).

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:09:44 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @CaptainJanegay @freemo @georgetakei oh so you mean more like when people called MAGA people maggots or whatever
   • Captain Janegay 🫖 (captainjanegay@mastodon.coffee)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:09:45 JST Captain Janegay 🫖

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     @freemo @georgetakei It's very different. What's being referred to here is the dehumanisation of a class of people, in a manner which is recognised as the fourth step of genocide. There's a big difference between insulting a person by calling them an animal, and using similar words to flatten an entire group of people into a faceless mass.

     https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/what-is-genocide/the-ten-stages-of-genocide/

     I recommend reading about the Rwandan genocide in particular, and the very significant role played by talk radio.

   • RodneyPetersonTalentAgency (rodneypetersontalent@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:10:21 JST RodneyPetersonTalentAgency

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     @freemo @darreninthenet

     Freemo is either ignorant or a closet asshole. A number of posts on his page appear to support right wing viewpoints although as subtly as possible.

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:10:22 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @darreninthenet I disagree on the compassion. He is worthy of compassion because without it we are no better than him. He just isnt to be seen as humanized ( a member of society). But compassion should always be universal... Tolarance I agree with you, we dont have to tolerate him.

   • darreninthenet (darreninthenet@dice.camp)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:10:27 JST darreninthenet

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @georgetakei tolerance and inclusivity isn't just a set of morals, it's also a social contract - Trump and his like aren't entitled to the benefit of compassion and tolerance as he is operating outside that social contract.

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:10:47 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @RodneyPetersonTalent Oh I have no intention of making it subtle..

     I lean left but am decidedly close to center and am more than happy to adopt some right-wing points among my overall left-wing stance.

     Points to you though for trying to weapoinize someone having opinions that dont 100% line up wuith yours as if people are trying to hide it, I dont hide it.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:27:57 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @realcaseyrollins @freemo @georgetakei The funny thing is we're all animals and it's people who think their intellect raises them above that are capable of some of the cruelest things.
   • realcaseyrollins (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:27:58 JST realcaseyrollins

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     @freemo @georgetakei That’s even worse. Is a narcissist an animal?

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:27:59 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins

     The criteria was stated, acting human here means "compassion to your fellow human"...

     @georgetakei

   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:40:19 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     Calling a human an animal isnt an insult, its a compliment. We wish we could rise to the level of most animals.

     @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:42:04 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @realcaseyrollins @freemo @georgetakei it is a religious one, but that doesn't make it correct. Love of God is not exclusive to humans, and I might even go so far as to say it's rare, even among the religious. Animals treat the things God gives them way better than we do.
   • realcaseyrollins (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:42:05 JST realcaseyrollins

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @thatguyoverthere @freemo @georgetakei The idea that we’re more than animals is a religious one, I think. I’m a #Christian and don’t see a reasonable non-religious reason for believing that people are more than animals

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:44:33 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @freemo @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei I think most people usually think of themselves as greater than animals, but occasionally humility is found, sometimes just for a moment and that helps us appreciate our gifts a little more.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:44:34 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @realcaseyrollins

     I think you might be surprised, most probably do.

     Remember last time the argument about murder, you thought most people would think it was because "they were human" but in the poll only a single person (I suspect you) voted for that option.

     I suggest you may have a view of what most people think that isnt accurate due to the environment you were raised in perhaps (nopt that it was a bad environment just that you were taught principles that arent in line with most peoples views).

     @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

   • realcaseyrollins (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:44:35 JST realcaseyrollins

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     @freemo @thatguyoverthere @georgetakei Most people don’t see it that way 😂

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:45:26 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @freemo @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei Pride denotes superiority. It's one of the 7 deadlies for a reason.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:45:27 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • realcaseyrollins

     @thatguyoverthere @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei

     Not to mention it never says they are superior to animals in any way. It does describe us as being shepards over them and a few other passages that make a distinction between us and animals. But none of it, as far as I know, directly denotes superiority in any way.

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:48:26 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @freemo @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei morals are a human concept. Justification for violence is not something animals seem to need. They don't ask whether or not they should do something at all, so I think it's hard to say they are morally superior, but that also kind of brings up an interesting idea. Do human morals do anything to curb our animalistic tendencies or just force us to be more creative to justify violence?
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:48:27 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei

     Depends on what you mean by greater. I think most people would think themselves intellectually superior to animals. But I'd imagine most people do not find humans morally superior to animals.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:50:25 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @freemo @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei tell that to someone who's had an extra drake or 2 in with their ducks.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:50:26 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     Nah morals are a universal concept, even animals have them. At least most animals. Any creature that can expiernce suffering and happiness and can identify these qualities in other animals has morals on some level.

     @realcaseyrollins @georgetakei

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:53:58 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo I don't know man. Rape is not moral. They don't have remorse for being rapey. They don't care if raping kills the duck. They don't even care if they're raping a female.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:53:59 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     I see no reaason that is a contradiction to them having morality.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:55:28 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo have you not been reading what I wrote. The whole point is that we are animals, and our moral code does fuck all to stop us. I'd argue anyone who wants to commit an immoral act will find a way to justify it within their own plastic morality code.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 02:55:29 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere I suspect you are suggesting that because they act like an asshole when their horny this somehow means their entire species lacks morals all the time? Oh man, wait till you find out about humans...

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:00:34 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo I see it in person and have had to save ducks from being drown before. I've also seen them attack ducklings, even when there's only one male. I raise these animals and I while I don't "speak duck" I do think I can communicate with my animals a little bit. I think it's funny how much people anthropomorphize animals instead of just embracing their own animal aspects.
     
     If you read the post all the way through you might have seen that I have said I don't think morals stop us anyway. If you want to believe the ducks are consenting to having their children murdered and put at risk of drowning for kicks go on.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:00:35 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     1) how do you know its not consensual? you are assuming rape, but do you speak duck? I'm pretty sure a duck looking at a BDSM couple might likewise assume its rape when its not.

     2) humans rape all the time. To assume the existance of rapists means an entire species lacks morals under all circumstances is a huge leap.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:08:20 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo I had no idea you were an expert on water fowl. How often do you interact with ducks out of curiosity?
     
     A purely female flock is no problem at all. A purely male flock I have heard is not bad either although I have no direct experience so I can't say. It's when you have both but don't have something like a 1:18 ratio of males to females that things get bad.
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     @thatguyoverthere

     So no, you saw them beign sexually rough, to the point of putting others at risk, but have no way to know if the female ducks wanted to be in that situation or were happier for the environment.

     I'd argue the best way to tell objectively is to look for happiness and stress behaviors. Take a duck in a purely female environment and they will demonstrate more stressed and less happiness than a duck explosed to it. Id argue this is a strong indicator the duck is conscenting to the behavior in some sense (in that, despite everything they want to be in that environment and thus moral for them).

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     • pwm
     @freemo @pwm lmao this is what we call pride sir :laugh_derp:
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:09:56 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @pwm

     Nah, just the only person in the conversation who an see past the normal human box we frame everything in.

     @thatguyoverthere

   • pwm (pwm@crlf.ninja)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:09:57 JST pwm

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     @freemo @thatguyoverthere are you high or just brain damaged? Jesus fuck dude.
   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:13:24 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo :shrug: you really do seem to be an expert at just about everything. pretty amazing sir. Anyway, like I said the ratio matters. One drake is great. More is messy and cruel.
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     @thatguyoverthere

     > I had no idea you were an expert on water fowl. How often do you interact with ducks out of curiosity?

     About 15 years raising them, though I dont currently.

     > A purely female flock is no problem at all.

     No problem to raise them sure. But to claim they are at their happiest is a whoe 'nother ball of wax. I'd argue they arent as we see an increase stressors in all female flocks.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:17:57 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo wat? I didn't say I have "superior" understanding of ducks or claim to be an expert at anything doc. I said I raise them and have the opportunity to regularly observe their behavior, and that I have in the past had too many male ducks. I asked your expertise after you started talking about stress indicators and the like. You are a real mother fucker sometimes the way you try to twist everything into a contentious debate where you come out the victor for absolutely no damn reason it's just so weird. Like I came into this conversation actually kind of supporting your view, and somehow this has been twisted into a competition I never wanted to be in. It happens damn near every time I join a conversation you are in.
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:17:58 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere IRonic since I was saying that to mirror your own statement.

     > I think it's funny how much people anthropomorphize animals instead of just embracing their own animal aspects.

     Suggesting you had some superior understanding of ducks. You even went so far to talk about expertise.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:19:28 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo I don't read and archive your every post
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     @thatguyoverthere

     I never claimed to be an expert on this, in fact I explicitly said I dont like the term. But ok if your amazed by the fact that I raised ducks for 15 years thats cool. I have talked about it before, I was a volunteer for 15 years at "The great vally nature center" where I was responsible for caring for all the animals there and was often the only person responsible for it. That included ducks, chickens, goats, and a few other animals.

     And yea the issue isnt if more drakes are "messy".. the discussion is about how much of a stress response the females show, which is ultimately the only way we could begin to measure morality, if the animals care about the stress they put others through.. If the act of rape or even death is a situation the females **want** to be in (due to biology) then it isnt immoral to do it.

     The fact that females, despite the apparent abuse, do not show stress indications, and in fact they willfully will remain in such a flock after the incidents shows, or at least strongly hints, at consent. If there was lack of consent then females would leave the flock.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:19:58 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @freemo ok I'm imagining things
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:19:59 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere You are the only one imagining a competition here.. **You** are the one who challenged my expertise and demanded what it was.. Prior to that I had no desire to measure who was the greater expert, I still dont.. that was all you and now your crying foul... way to go.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:20:32 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @freemo what assumption did I make exactly?
   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:20:33 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @thatguyoverthere

     Probaby a good reason not to make assumptions then.

   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Tuesday, 14-Nov-2023 03:25:22 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     @freemo I guess technically I disagreed with you first but it spiraled into a really unpleasant conversation as it often does.
     
     You said most people look at themselves as below animals, and I said I think usually I think they think they are above them (which was my original point and yours anyway, you contradicted yourself here as far as I can tell since you seemed to be of the mind that people are in fact animals inspite of the common idea that calling someone an animal is an insult).
     
     Anyway you are exhausting. maybe just go on without me
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     @thatguyoverthere More like projecting... but call it what you will.

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     @freemo this went off the rails so much further back homie
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     @thatguyoverthere

     Im not going to play that game.. your tone was apparent and implied:

     I had no idea you were an expert on water fowl. How often do you interact with ducks out of curiosity?

     you really do seem to be an expert at just about everything. pretty amazing sir.

     Seems obvious to me this was meant sarcastically and in a mocking tone. So you assumed going in I had no expiernce raising ducks (the assumption) and even went so far as to mock the fact that I did.