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1. Giganova8 :sob2: :nacho_dead: (giganova8@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:38:42 JST Giganova8 :sob2: :nacho_dead:
   There's something simultaneously amusing and disgusting about watching online "intellectuals" like this guy huff and puff about El Salvador (or anything at all that goes against The Narrative™). I understand wanting principles beyond "might makes right", and that you don't really want a crazy dictator taking charge, but when your system of government is openly and flagrantly aiding criminals at the expense of normal people, why the fuck should anyone care about listening to it? Who gives a shit that Bukele strong-arming the legislature isn't "constitutional" when the legislature is fucking negotiating treaties with cartels? :noa_disgust:
   
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   • Giganova8 :sob2: :nacho_dead: (giganova8@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:55:20 JST Giganova8 :sob2: :nacho_dead:

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     • WhiteExodite

     @bleedingphoenix I love how there’s never any explanation about why “backsliding from democracy” is bad (or what that even means, really), you’re just supposed to shut up and agree. If “democracy” leads your country to having the highest murder rate in the world, why would anyone want to keep it?

     I mean, I know I’m never gonna get an answer from these types, but it really does baffle me how “losing democracy” is the ultimate evil to them, no matter how busted said democracy might have been. :zt_think:

     (democracy is only good if the candidates look like this :popuko_nod: )

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   • WhiteExodite (bleedingphoenix@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 05:55:21 JST WhiteExodite

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     @Giganova8 your answer is here
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   • Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 06:05:00 JST Pawlicker

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     @bleedingphoenix @Giganova8 a viral post went around about a TikTok influencer showing a business email offering to being paid to support Israel.
     
     A lot of these people don't have moral views except money and you'll see that with every podcaster too.
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   • Kerosene (kerosene@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 06:05:28 JST Kerosene

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     @Giganova8 Notice how many people from El Salvador are in the comments saying how grateful they are for Bukele's cracking down on the criminals. As a fellow beaner I feel them, I would give all my support to Mecha Hitler if he started laser-beaming all the niggers making the streets dangerous and unsavory over here, I don't care about any faggy pretense at democracy. If it works, it works.
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   • Giganova8 :sob2: :nacho_dead: (giganova8@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 06:05:38 JST Giganova8 :sob2: :nacho_dead:

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     • Kerosene
     @Kerosene
     TBH I just want to get inside the mental processes of these guys and see how exactly they can simultaneously claim that they're some sort of champion of life and "human rights" whilst actively defending the system that enabled MS13 to operate unopposed for years. It feels like there should eventually be some sort of realization that their beloved "democracy" is far more destructive than anything that's replaced it, but maybe I'm giving these people too much credit.
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   • salty_apollyon (rlier23@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 06:05:47 JST salty_apollyon

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     @Giganova8 the issue should not be about "might makes right" is always the choice
     rather that that sort of idea is sometimes needed. specially in such a horrible situation like that one of el salvador
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   • luithe (luithe@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 06:06:22 JST luithe

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     • Kerosene
     @Giganova8 @Kerosene just tell them to put up a sign saying ms13 welcome and watch their families get cut in half in front of them while they get their throats slit open slowly
   • Giganova8 :sob2: :nacho_dead: (giganova8@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 06:06:32 JST Giganova8 :sob2: :nacho_dead:

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     @rlier23
     I especially loved the part where he said that declaring a crisis was "legally questionable". Because of course, cartels controlling huge swathes of your country to the point they can force the government to negotiate with them to stop mass killings isn't at all an emergency. That kind of thing ought to be saved for real emergencies, like a bunch of old people shuffling around the capitol for a couple hours! :kek_pain:
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   • Immahnoob (immahnoob@varishangout.net)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 06:21:01 JST Immahnoob

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     @Kerosene @Giganova8 When I held those positions, instead of thinking people were "born good", I simply thought people had rationality, and would always choose good because there's rarely a reason to choose evil. Basically, I didn't think they were necessarily good, but I thought being "self-serving" was still very close to "good" if you knew what you were doing.
   • Kerosene (kerosene@bae.st)'s status on Tuesday, 31-Oct-2023 06:21:02 JST Kerosene

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     @Giganova8 You are giving them too much credit. I’m a former libshit (many, many years ago). It basically goes like this: These people (just like I did) firmly believe that all humans are born good and it’s only their environment that makes them become evil. So when they look at a criminal, regardless of how many despicable things he’s done, they see someone who’s undeniably capable of turning into a good person if you just give him “the right education”. They think harsh punishment is a big factor that makes people resentful and turn to criminality, and as such you should treat them with tenderness in order to support the process of making them into good people “once again”. They see criminals as nothing more than victims of their circumstances, so when you punish them for what they’ve done, you’re basically punishing victims. That’s why they talk so much about “systemic issues”. There is a lot to say about this, but honestly I’ve changed my opinion about so many things and so long ago that it’s hard to remember what it was like to truly consider these positions as true and factual.