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1. Timnit Gebru (she/her) (timnitgebru@dair-community.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 17:20:05 JST Timnit Gebru (she/her)

   I think it is helpful to read other cases of genocide denial if you want to help yourself figure out what to engage with and what not to engage with. The talking points are exactly the same. All genocides work the same. It was hard to engage with friends and extended family members saying these things during #TigrayGenocide and I sure am not going to entertain that from others now.

   "No we're not talking about the population its just this group we're calling animals"

   • Aral Balkan repeated this.
   • Timnit Gebru (she/her) (timnitgebru@dair-community.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 17:20:41 JST Timnit Gebru (she/her)

     in reply to

     "You support terrorists, why aren't you talking about them?"

     "They use people as human shields, the people should revolt against them, they brought it upon themselves"

     "That's an actor, its not real"

     "The body count is propaganda, its not accurate"

     "Where are the bodies?"

     "You can't expect us to NOT shut off food, electricity & fuel."

     while at the same time

     "No we haven't shut it off, look at that ONE hospital that seems to be functioning"

     Aral Balkan repeated this.
   • Timnit Gebru (she/her) (timnitgebru@dair-community.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 17:21:16 JST Timnit Gebru (she/her)

     in reply to

     "You just hate X group, that's why you're claiming there's a genocide you liar."

     "Look at this graph showing that the population has increased in the last hundred years. That's not a genocide."

     "Genocide is a technical term, you can't just go around saying genocide all the time"

     Yea lets also wait for the technical "world bodies" before calling out the Native American genocide.

     And then just a bunch of other harassment trying to get you to be quiet.

     Aral Balkan repeated this.
   • Timnit Gebru (she/her) (timnitgebru@dair-community.social)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 17:22:23 JST Timnit Gebru (she/her)

     in reply to

     It helps to see all this before. Because its exactly the same. At that time I was so shocked to see these arguments, and it helped me to read more about denial during the Tutsi Rwandan genocide. I also talked to my friends who told me about the Mayan genocide in Guatemala, and how they couldn't speak to their families and friends. They told me that people will continue to deny even when perpetrators are taken to court and there are mountains of evidence.