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1. Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 09:11:48 JST Thorwegian ❄️

   if you don't count yeast as an animal, beer is vegan. so is Jack Daniels and Jägermeister. :trollface:

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 09:11:47 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @thor but not mead :beers:
     
     If you did consider yeast as an animal wouldn't that mean not using alcohol for sterilization too?
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     @thatguyoverthere possibly. i don't agree with the vegan idea. but i can get vegetarian. "okay, you don't want animals to get be killed. i get that."

     as for vegan... i have a lot less trouble with animals producing food, if they're properly taken care of.

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     @thatguyoverthere a mother who has a baby is a milk factory and we're fine with that

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     @thor same. I mean I have no interest in cutting meat from my diet but i think veganism is impractical in most parts of the world.
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     @thatguyoverthere i mean, if we start combining the idea of "veganism" with the idea of "locally sourced food", we start running into problems REAL soon.

     such as all of north Norway starving to death because it can't eat fish and sheep anymore.

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     @thor all the focus put on the environmental impact of beef, I wonder what the numbers look like for strawberries and bananas in the grocery store in December.
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     @thor chicken is probably the most common meat here. Pork and beef are both pretty common, as is all kinds of dairy. Fish is more common in areas near the ocean and rivers that produce good fish, but it's always available as anything is these days. Even dairy farms are likely to produce some amount of meat, but near me there are plenty of cattle farms. There is a farm about 30 minutes from here that does there own processing where meat prices are a lot more stable than the grocery prices, and I know what they eat.
     
     I even have a friend who has recently started to raise cattle. He also raises pigs every now and then.
     
     Lamb is one that is less common in the us (although it's always available). I have a farm I work with directly for mine so it is also a seasonal meat for me. This year I didn't get to buy one.
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     @thatguyoverthere dairy is what kept people alive in much of Scandinavia. you get a lot more out of a cow if you milk it than if you slaughter it.

     beef here was always more of a rare treat.

     lambs are slaughtered every fall, so that's a seasonal meat, while adult sheep are mainly for wool, to knit those warm wool products Scandinavian is so well-known for.

     pigs? those are more year-round. they're pretty easy to keep. they don't need much room to roam and they'll eat just about anything.

     pork is the most common meat found here.

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     @thatguyoverthere some combination of fish, dairy and pork is what you see around Norway a lot, traditionally. fish because our seas are full of it. pork because pigs are easy to keep. and dairy because cows produce a lot more if you just milk them than if you slaughter them. cows bred specifically for meat aren't very common here.

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     @thatguyoverthere and potato as the main starch, because potatoes will grow anywhere. tough climate, but potatoes are happy with just about anything.

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     @thor yeah having a laying flock is nice. Eggs are very useful. That said raising a dozen extra a few times a year isn't too bad. I also raise turkeys and ducks (geese too more recently). I have had a duck that laid year round but most of them are seasonal layers.
     
     It's easy to turn a laying flock into both eggs and meat if you just keep a rooster. He will also help protect them anyway so always good to have. Some hens are more likely than others to go broody but they'll all get the itch from time to time.
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     @thatguyoverthere ah, chicken

     we do with chickens as with cows, really

     they're far more useful for laying eggs than for their meat, so like with beef, chicken is an occasional treat.

     you're more likely to see a hen fricassee, i.e. a chicken that stopped laying eggs and you let that stew around in a pot for a while to make the meat less tough and then serve up a dish with that.

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     @thor I collect eggs far more often than slaughter birds, but my flock serves both purposes.
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     @thatguyoverthere i mean, in *modern* Norway, chicken is most definitely one of the cheaper meats. a habit we probably got from America, but traditionally speaking, chickens had a far more use as something that laid eggs than as a source of meat.

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     @thor it's a serious problem (people not knowing where food comes from)
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     @thatguyoverthere you're probably one of the more grounded American persons i know as far as "where does food actually come from and how is it made"

     a lot of the ones i talk to online appear more detached from it

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     @thor my girls also help speed up composting so I can continually improve soil where I plant food. They can cut the time down tremendously and they love doing it. I pile it up and then they scratch through it eating little sprouts and bugs and stuff they find interesting which shreds it up, and they shit in it which keeps the nitrogen's content high and keeps it active.
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     @thor "organic" here is a government label that isn't entirely useless but doesn't necessarily exclude all bad practices. We are definitely as far as we can be in food industrialization. I am a crack pot. I buy milk in glass bottles from a local dairy farm, but most people get milk that is processed from all over the country and never even question where it comes from.
     
     I think the disconnection from food is a travesty. I think being in touch with the thing that sustains us grounds us. This is one of the reasons I decided to raise birds. I'd raise more but I live in town. Technically I shouldn't even have a rooster, but there are a bunch around me and as long as no one is complaining it seems fine.
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     @thatguyoverthere i think America might be a bit ahead of us in terms of mass-industrialised farming

     even much of the EU is. they use a lot more drugs and preservatives and such to produce food in the bigger countries.

     the way we run our farms ordinarily here in Norway might be what people from bigger countries describe as "organic"

     if we were 50 million and not 5, maybe we'd be doing the same thing, and would be less connected to where food comes from.

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     @feld @thor with other animals the older they get the tougher the meat. The chickens at the grocery store probably lived 8 weeks. The cow and pork less than a year. Most of the animals we eat are still in their youth. Only people who raise their own birds are likely to have ever eaten a chicken older that. 6 months.
     
     I imagine mutton requires a very slow cook to tenderize the meat. I'm not really sure why, but it does seem to be completely off the menu. Perhaps old sheep are a big source for dog food "crude protein" or something. Like I don't even see it sold outside of grocery stores. I know a place I can buy rabbit right now but not mutton.
   • feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 10:22:36 JST feld

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     @thatguyoverthere @thor lamb is less common but you know where even more uncommon ? Mutton. Almost impossible to find in the USA. Americans removed it from their menus completely. Baby sheep? Yes. Adult sheep? Nope!
     
     And they say mutton tastes completely different too
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     @thor turn around before it's too late
   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 10:23:02 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere what you're increasingly seeing is small scale farmers selling their properties to bigger farmers and country houses being left empty.

     you don't need families in farmhouses anymore so it gets bought up and someone with a machine comes in and farms larger areas of crops.

     and someone else farms animals, in places for that.

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     @thatguyoverthere i think that's a tad more "let nature do things" than most of the farmers in Norway do

     bit bigger volume so they're probably using industrial fertilisers and such

     but there is somewhat less pressure to produce massive amounts of food cheaply here, being a small country and all.

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   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 10:31:08 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere it sounds like you've got plenty to keep you busy, without being overwhelmed. i sometimes wish i had pursued that "career goal" over what i did in my 20s and 30s.

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   • Thorwegian ❄️ (thor@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 30-Oct-2023 10:32:26 JST Thorwegian ❄️

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     @thatguyoverthere i sometimes go to maker spaces in Oslo, where they have all sorts of tools to help you craft your own things.

     my friend's grandfather owned a farm. he wasn't so impressed by the maker space. said his grandfather had much the same equipment in his shed. which is a good point.

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     @thatguyoverthere farming these days isn't exactly uneducated. knowing how to use computers can help with how to run a farm.

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     @thatguyoverthere @thor I've found rabbit in latino grocery stores before
     
     Here's where I read about the mutton situation:
     
     https://modernfarmer.com/2023/09/digging-in-mutton/
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     @feld @thor well now I need to ask my lamb lady. I've never bothered because she only really markets the lamb
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     @thor @feld I pretty sure they raise sheep for more than lamb. I do know another guy that I know is exclusively wool (I've helped him shear) but I haven't talked to him in a while.
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     @thatguyoverthere @feld if the lamb is more tender and easier to cook, why keep the sheep alive?

     other than to make wool

     a farmer who primarily makes wool is who i'd ask when it comes to older sheep.

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     @thatguyoverthere @thor please share your experience if you manage to get any!
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     @thatguyoverthere @feld i'd be curious to know what you discover

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     @thor @feld my buddy Dave who has the wool sheep stopped eating pork because he said pigs are too smart to eat. He has this big old hog that he has had for ever and now he won't even sell pigs if they will be eaten. He told me he once had a halal butcher on his property for some lamb he sold. He seems less attached to the sheep at least.