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1. silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 04:14:29 JST silverpill

   So, a decentralized alternative to Bandcamp is needed?

   In theory musicians can use Mitra to release music to paid subscribers. I can also implement a paywall mechanism that works on individual posts.

   https://timetheft.social/users/jazz/statuses/111296776010291428

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   • Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think: (thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club)'s status on Saturday, 28-Oct-2023 04:20:00 JST Disinformation Purveyor :verified_think:

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     @silverpill > marx probably said something about this
   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 00:46:50 JST silverpill

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     @don I know you can share music there, but does it provide tools to financially support artists? In my opinion Bandcamp did a really good job in that area.

   • don@liberdon.com's status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 00:46:51 JST don

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     @silverpill Did you have a look at #Funkwhale ? They were doing something like this already

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 00:49:12 JST Machismo

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     @silverpill @don oh yeah artists should set up their own little shops. BMT Micro are pretty cool for payment stuff (about as cool as you can get with payment stuff, other than just accepting cryptos because fuck kikels), you can probably do it with wordpress and a few plugins; not that I recommend that, but it's better than relying on centralisation.
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 00:50:59 JST Machismo

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     @don @silverpill Also strongly recommend avoiding gumroad. Their system is extremely amateur. Not even in a "it's incomplete" way, but more of "they really don't want you to unsubscribe".
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 00:58:50 JST Machismo

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     @silverpill @don ... also this person's taste in media players is pretty questionable. Auxio for android and vlc/mpv for desktop, you don't really need anything else.
     Actually auxio won't play videos, so it is useful having something for that, but generally system default is enough. But auxio *does* have the notable trait of being THE ONLY FUCKING ANDROID MEDIA PLAYER IN EXISTENCE that doesn't force "previous track rewinds to start after 5 seconds". It's actually an option you can toggle. I have no idea how the fuck that became a standard, even vlc and mpv get that wrong specifically only on android.
   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 01:10:38 JST silverpill

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     @Zerglingman @don That's what I'm trying to build, a self-hosted publishing tool with a payment processor. No more middlemen

   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 01:11:42 JST Machismo

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     @silverpill @don Something something 15 competing standards.
     But since I can't name a single decent implementation of that off-hand, I can't really say that.
   • teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 01:19:06 JST teknomunk

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     @Zerglingman @don @silverpill
     
     It would be nice to have that problem, to be honest. Means there is competition.
   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 01:19:41 JST Machismo

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     @teknomunk @silverpill Well, yes. Definitely better than any value less than 3. But it does make it annoying to make an informed choice.
   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 01:51:06 JST silverpill

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     @teknomunk @Zerglingman @don If we are talking about publishing tools with integrated payments, there's a fierce competition, actually. All these blockchain apps, from ethereum-based and bitcoin-based (you can find a bunch in the Nostr land), to countless shitcoin-powered sites. Many of them are open source and can be self-hosted, at least in theory.

     Finding a decent one is a challenge, that's true.

     @Zerglingman do you think Mitra is not a decent one? If so, how do you think it can be improved?

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   • Machismo (zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 01:51:51 JST Machismo

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     @silverpill @teknomunk @don I do not know anything about mitra. I say I can't name a good one because the only one I really can name is wordpress with appropriate plugins.
   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 06:17:04 JST silverpill

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     Paywall for individual posts enables many new use cases. Basically it turns fediverse server into a marketplace.

     But how it should work? The server may send an automated reply with an unlocked version of a post, as a direct message. This can also be a beginning of a private discussion between the post author and the person who made the payment.

   • silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 06:40:49 JST silverpill

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     @teknomunk Yes, the unlocked post should be a different object, to avoid leaks.
     Unlocked post can have some attribute telling the server that two posts must be merged into one, but only for certain viewers. But it's complicated, I think a private thread is good enough solution

   • teknomunk (teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work)'s status on Sunday, 29-Oct-2023 06:40:50 JST teknomunk

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     Probably? The other thing I thought of would be an Update turning the post into the unlocked version, but that would probably end up with the post unlocked for everyone on the server the user is on.