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1. pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:27:02 JST pat

   I do admire the government. I mean, say whatever you want, but brainwashing entire nation into believing that not paying the taxes to the government that doesn't do what you pay them to do isn't an option to be considered....

   • pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:26:58 JST pat

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     • Moffintosh
     • Vox

     @moffintosh @Vox I still don't quite get it. I mean, I was an employer for a while. And it was in the Philippines where it's pretty much the law of the jungle and it's not like you can count on the cops to save you. I'm kinda still alive....

   • Vox (vox@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:26:58 JST Vox

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     • Moffintosh

     @ThatCrazyDude @moffintosh

     I think what you're saying is that the so-called "class wars" would escalate as the wealth gap, and the resulting resentment, increases. I'm not sure how a mass refusal to pay income tax would catalyze such a thing, though. If anything, the business owners and their employees would be on the same side, and the common enemy would be the IRS and government figures who are paid on the taxpayer's dime. Exceptions maybe for business owners/CEOs with government contracts.

     Machismo repeated this.
   • Moffintosh (moffintosh@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:26:59 JST Moffintosh

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     • Vox

     @ThatCrazyDude @Vox For the same reason strikes are a thing

   • pat (thatcrazydude@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:27:00 JST pat

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     • Moffintosh
     • Vox

     @moffintosh @Vox why would there be lynching of business owners though?

   • Vox (vox@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:27:01 JST Vox

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     @ThatCrazyDude It's less brainwashing than straight up threat of property seizure at gunpoint, imprisonment, or even death (they didn't buy all those fancy firearms for no reason) for non-compliance. I often wonder what would happen if the entire country at once refused to pay. Would taxation become unenforceable? And how could you evade the withholding being stolen straight out of your check if you are an employee?

   • Moffintosh (moffintosh@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:27:01 JST Moffintosh

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     • Vox

     @Vox @ThatCrazyDude

     I often wonder what would happen if the entire country at once refused to pay.

     Collapse of the police system, then lynching of most business owners after the first economic crisis and mass firings, followed by lolberts crying for the state to save them because animals or something

   • Moffintosh (moffintosh@berserker.town)'s status on Monday, 23-Oct-2023 00:27:25 JST Moffintosh

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     • Vox

     @Vox @ThatCrazyDude

     I'm not sure how a mass refusal to pay income tax would catalyze such a thing, though.

     Because the job of the state is to make private property enforcable. There is a reason after all as to why the state as we know it today came to be only after the rise of capitalism and wage labour.

     If anything, the business owners and their employees would be on the same side

     The workers want to be paid the highest amount possible while working the least amount possible, while buisness owners want to pay their employees the least possible while working them as much and as hard as possible. There is already a direct conflict of interest embedded in the employee-employer relationship, regardless of whatever the state may or may not do.
     And conflict is made inevitable by the falling rate of profit, which arises due to competition and the constant push all businesses have to grow.

     And that's without going over the fact that an employer must pay an employee less than what they produce, else they would have no profit