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1. Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:10:29 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite
   Can we talk about how OG Dragon Ball is straight up better than Z?
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     @ArdainianRight sure. tell me about it. thank you friend.

   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:22:34 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     OG Dragon Ball actually has coherent worldbuilding to provide weight and significance to its battles and story. It's incredibly retarded how in Z basically nobody outside of the established cast knows about Goku and pals after all the places he went and people he's helped, but everyone knows who fucking Mr. Satan is.
   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:22:58 JST Christi Junior

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     @ArdainianRight I've been saying this for a long time - hell, even the fights are better, or at least more consistently good, with more interesting and creative martial art choreography rather than Ki blast spam. It helps that I'm a sucker for tournament arcs, and OG Dragon Ball has 3 of them!
     
     The Filler problem is also not nearly as bad, the characterization is miles better (most of the old cast gets treated like trash by Z, and Kid Goku is way better a character than Adult Goku), and there are way less Turbo Retarded moments than in Z. To be fair, many of the issues that end up becoming major problems in Z *do* crop up during the final DB tournament, but on the whole, DB is easily the superior anime, despite Z introducing some awesome new characters like Vegeta (of course) and Future Trunks, as well as most of the best DB villains.
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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:26:05 JST Christi Junior

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     @ArdainianRight @RMIV To be fair, even in DB someone like King Chappa was considered this legendary, unbeatable warrior at one point, so Earth's strongest fighters do apparently take some years off from time to time. Not saying that Mr. Satan is as strong as King Chappa, just that even Yamcha would wipe the floor with both of them by the 2nd tournament.
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     nobody outside of the established cast knows about Goku

     i hadn’t thought of that friend but it is true. perhaps the coherent world-building you detect in OG DragonBall comes from its foundation upon the classic folk tale Journey to the West from which many an anime has drawn from as inspiration, some with more subtlety than others. thank you friend.

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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:38:25 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @ChristiJunior Yeah, Z has great villains. I think the King Piccolo arc is really where things ramp up and Dragon Ball is at its best. You've got Tambourine running around killing off the top tournament contenders, which provides some nice callbacks while emphasizing that this threat is different and dwarfs previous ones. They actually start killing off major members of the cast, and this is before the netherworld becomes a total revolving door. And you actually see Piccolo unleashing anarcho-tyranny while threatening to wipe out even more. Goku gets his ass kicked repeatedly, while Piccolo only grows in power. It combines the high stakes found in Z with an actual connected world that feels like it matters.
   • ♡elfire♡ (sweetcreme@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:38:43 JST ♡elfire♡

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     @ArdainianRight Yes, definitely. I really love the martial art aspect of Dragon Ball, something that Z seems to abandon for generic fighting with no style involved and tons of laser beams (I still love Z though as it was one of my first anime). Maybe I'm being a bit biased since even in Dragon Ball the martial arts are heavily 'fantastical', exaggerated version of their real life counterpart but even so, the vibe is very reminiscent of kung-fu movies of that era, and those were definitely fun no contest. That, coupled with the adventurous aspect of the anime, along with the humorously fun, vibrant, and very likeable characters, makes it a top 10 for me.
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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:41:56 JST Christi Junior

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     @ArdainianRight It's interesting how Shonen series will sometimes have these overall minor villains suddenly go on a pure killing spree and really make the heroes feel outmatched. Nappa in Z and Rigardo in Claymore are some other good examples.
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:48:54 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @ChristiJunior King Piccolo arc also lets the bad guy "win" by collecting all the Dragon Balls while making his wish for youth as opposed to true immortality make sense, because he reasonably believes that at his full power he's unkillable anyways, while his quality of life is much higher than it would be as an elderly immortal. Vegeta and Freeza you know can't actually get all the Dragon Balls and wish for immortality because that means they're unbeatable and that kills the tension.
   • :bible_wh::confederateflag:RMIV⛎:sonnenrad::yay: (rmiv@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:49:04 JST :bible_wh::confederateflag:RMIV⛎:sonnenrad::yay:

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     @sweetcreme @ArdainianRight i like that Roshi was way more important in DragonBall Master Roshi is so cool.

     i have to gush some about the final tournament in Super for that very reason, they give Roshi a lot of love in a contest where he should be fantastically outmatched by everyone even Krillin. i think Roshi smokes 5 or 6 contenders in that one too.

     but in Z Roshi is rarely even seen. thank you friends.

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   • boloros (boloros@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:49:21 JST boloros

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     @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior and even at those heights it kept up some gags
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:51:10 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @ChristiJunior @sweetcreme @RMIV Granted a lot of those guys got killed off in the King Piccolo arc, but I don't think they got all of them. Either way that kind of superpower shouldn't be totally unknown to the general public.
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     @sweetcreme @ArdainianRight @RMIV Yeah, it makes no sense, Mr. Satan was hinted to be, what, twice as strong as a regular strong human? Someone like Nam or Bacterian should easily stomp him.
     
     Hell, his own TEENAGE DAUGHTER is already stronger than him!
   • ♡elfire♡ (sweetcreme@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:51:12 JST ♡elfire♡

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     @ChristiJunior @ArdainianRight @RMIV It makes me wonder...what happened to the inhumanely strong characters during the 24th world martial arts tournament (the one that Mr. Satan won)? In dragon ball, there would always be some character who had super strength or some strange powers/technique at the very least. I'm not saying Mr. Satan isn't stronger than most humans, but it seems like the fighters in the tournament were pretty low-tier. Obviously, Goku and his friends weren't able to compete because of all the things that were happening.
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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:51:33 JST Christi Junior

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     @boloros @ArdainianRight That's just good character writing - OF COURSE Evil Launch would think King Piccolo's dystopia sounded kinda cool!
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   • Granwalder (granwalder@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:51:42 JST Granwalder

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     @ArdainianRight pure sex
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   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:55:03 JST Christi Junior

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     @RMIV @ArdainianRight @sweetcreme I mean, it's cool in the sense that Roshi as a character deserves the love, but realistically, he should be FAR weaker than Yamcha by the beginning of DBZ, let alone the beginning of Super. Toriyama was definitely playing favorites and giving the character a great showing because he liked him, not because it actually made sense for Roshi to be able to hang with the strongest fighters of the multiverse.
   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:55:03 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @ChristiJunior @RMIV @sweetcreme Sexual harassment increases your power level even faster than the Hyperbolic Time Chamber or training in 400x gravity. Few know this.
   • ♡elfire♡ (sweetcreme@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:55:09 JST ♡elfire♡

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     @boloros @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior Toriyama forgetting Launch was the worst. She was my favorite Dragon Ball girl.
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:56:14 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @ChristiJunior @RMIV @sweetcreme Maybe. I just finished the King Piccolo arc, so I wouldn't know all the details.
   • Christi Junior (christijunior@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 06:56:15 JST Christi Junior

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     @ArdainianRight @RMIV @sweetcreme They also got revived, right? King Chappa even has a rematch with Adult Goku, and gets completely clowned on.
   • Granwalder (granwalder@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 07:22:11 JST Granwalder

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     @RMIV @ArdainianRight but people know sunwukong far and wide by the end of "journey", him interacting with the buddha and jade emperor gets him notoriety. Goku intern meets Nazi high command, God and the devil and nobody cares
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   • boloros (boloros@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 07:23:57 JST boloros

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     @sweetcreme @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior Lunch was outstanding, even her black hair form was the best (and improbable) tsukkomi for kame senshin / master roshi.
     
     Looking at some covers though, og DB really underlines how Toriyama in a more realistic style (than Dr. Slump) could make stuff look good.
     Real good.
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   • ♡elfire♡ (sweetcreme@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 07:23:57 JST ♡elfire♡

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     @boloros @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior People claim that he has same face syndrome (which really is a non-argument since most manga artists do) but he really is a wonderful artist. His mech and automobile work is especially detailed and beautiful to look at.
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 07:28:27 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     @sweetcreme @boloros @ChristiJunior Toriyama especially does the whimsical aesthetic well.
   • luithe (luithe@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 07:31:11 JST luithe

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     @sweetcreme @boloros @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior the funniest shit is when he removed the tank in sandland because he got sick of how detailed it had to be and then straight up never is seen again :guraKekw:
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   • luithe (luithe@varishangout.net)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 07:36:39 JST luithe

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     @sweetcreme @boloros @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior I would've if I had money and time to travel to Japan which I don't
     And I don't think there's fan sub torrents yet
   • ♡elfire♡ (sweetcreme@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 07:36:40 JST ♡elfire♡

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     @luithe @boloros @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior You watched sandland? If you did, did you enjoy it? I was planning to watch it but I got busy with some other anime.
   • EdBoatConnoisseur (edboatconnoisseur@bae.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 07:39:55 JST EdBoatConnoisseur

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     @sweetcreme @boloros @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior deutsche dorito
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     @sweetcreme @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @boloros if you ever think you are too retarded to drive, remember goku canonically has a comercial driving permit, he drives just as bad as a real trucker.
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     @EdBoatConnoisseur @boloros @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @sweetcreme i forgot they made it canon he can drive commercial vehicles for delivery :guraKekw:
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     @ArdainianRight @ChristiJunior @boloros @sweetcreme toriyama may only be able to draw 5 faces but his character design is always on point
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   • 香貫花・クランシー (soma@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 07:53:16 JST 香貫花・クランシー

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     @ArdainianRight Reminder: Toriyama wanted to practically do a retelling of Sun Wukong's story but the suits saw the popularity of capeslop and wanted him to make something more like that. The OG series is much truer to his original vision than the capeshit-lite that came later.
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   • Ardainian Hebrew Israelite (ardainianright@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 07:58:35 JST Ardainian Hebrew Israelite

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     TFS Piccolo: "I liked it better when I was a demon."
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     @Soma @ArdainianRight I liked it better when Goku and Piccolo weren't aliens.
   • Unusual Strange Professional Killstreak Festivized Genuine Self-made Haunted Collector's Vintage Curvin (curvin@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 10:26:17 JST Unusual Strange Professional Killstreak Festivized Genuine Self-made Haunted Collector's Vintage Curvin

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     @c @ChristiJunior @ArdainianRight @Soma It actually went all the way from og DB, it all started when he got rekt by a mummy
     youtu.be/SQtCpUh0XD4
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     @c @ArdainianRight @Soma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSK6NOF2jT4
   • mr bigot (c@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Oct-2023 10:26:18 JST mr bigot

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     I take it back. Tien has the goofy third eye, Krillin has no nose, and Yamcha is the one who actually got shafted by all of this Z nonsense. RIP wolf fang fist.
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     It feels like the introduction of alien plotlines was just an excuse to make Tien irrelevant forever. They went to like 1 planet besides Earth and then pretty much everything after that is back on Earth.
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     Tien breaking his leg was pretty brutal at the time but Tien was also like the peak antagonist. Yamcha could have been redeemed all the way up until that Saibamen boom.
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