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1. Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 16-Jan-2023 10:11:37 JST Anime Wong

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   @faust @Terry @Floydian_Psychology @randbot Related story that gets mostly ignored… except by the wrong people.
   
   Qian Xuesen was one of the leading rocket experts in the US at that time, and was one of the biggest advocates for Operation Paper Clip, and helped evaluate the usefulness of various scientist's work. He was deported in the 50’s because, according to the US he was a communist, but according to him it was because he refused to continue to work with the US military saying “I’m Chinese, I don't want to build weapons to kill my countrymen.” As a result of his deportation the Chinese rapidly developed the atomic and hydrogen bombs, as well as ballistic rockets and ICBM's and their space program. Probably the biggest blunder the US ever made regarding China.
   
   I’ve always had mixed feelings about him. Maybe he should’ve had the foresight to realize what he was helping to create, both for the US and China. Part of me thinks he should’ve been more loyal to the US, which helped educate him. At the same time I think he saw what they did to the Germans and the Japanese, so I admire his loyalty to his own people.
   
   Then I think about the Jewish scientists who worked on the atomic bomb. Many of them were from Germany and other parts of Europe. They didn’t care at all that these weapons could and would have been used against “their countrymen”, innocent people otherwise detached politically from what was going on in the world.
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   • Twoinchdestroya (twoinchdestroya@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 16-Jan-2023 10:11:36 JST Twoinchdestroya

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     @Elliptica @faust @Terry @Floydian_Psychology @randbot It’s admirable and telling when the Chinese scientist was unwilling to harm his own kind, but the Jews were more than willing.

     The blunder ultimately came from the US government not having the foresight that the crucial nuclear scientist would educate his own, after being demonized and deported.

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   • Anime Wong (elliptica@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 16-Jan-2023 10:11:52 JST Anime Wong

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     @Twoinchdestroya @faust @Terry @Floydian_Psychology @randbot It's unbelievable, really. By the 50's he had enough of the US and wanted to leave, but they should have done everything in their power to coax him to stay, not keep him under house arrest for a few years.
   • Twoinchdestroya (twoinchdestroya@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 16-Jan-2023 10:11:52 JST Twoinchdestroya

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     @Elliptica @faust @Terry @Floydian_Psychology @randbot Why let such an important resource go? It was the 50s too, no one would have cared what the government would do to a Chinese foreigner.

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   • faust (faust@freespeechextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Jan-2023 10:12:01 JST faust

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     @Elliptica @Terry @Floydian_Psychology @randbot I think what best characterizes the scientists working on the manhatten project is that only one man, Joseph Rotblat, quit the project after the us military found out the germans were in no position to develop nukes in 1944. All this gay "Oh how much pain it causes me" by faggot Oppenheimer and the rest is meaningless. They wanted to arm their terror machine that fortified their empire.
     In contrast, German physiscist Carl von Weizäcker said, captive with his colleges in England, when finding out about Hirishima "I´m glad this wasn´t us".
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