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the 'real name' topic is pretty interesting. All the european kings have their names localized. the normandized bri'ish call him 'charlemagne' instead of 'carl the great', but the germans will call him 'karl der grosse'. the shakespeare plays are called 'heinrich' and not 'henry'. amadeus mozart was registered as 'theophilus', and used the french version 'amadè' of the same german name 'gottlieb' (all of those meaning: one who loves god).
I think the modern day obsession with 'real names' just comes from the fact that there's a godlike state putting that one name into its databases, and thus makes it all-important to get right - as you know, you won't be able to board a flight if your name isn't the same as the one in your passport!
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@lain but what is that paper real name? i say "cofe siphon paper" yes :marko:
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@hj cofe inside is flesh
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@PostingHellbound yeah, i don't think people 'have' a name in the possessive sense. my family calls me by a different name than my friends, another one again for colleagues and the 'real name' is pretty much only used by border agents and banks. and for nearly all of these, i didn't decide what name that was, so in what sense is it 'mine'?
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@lain a somewhat related and interesting question is whether your name belongs to you, or to those who would refer to you. topical too, because people are basically having that fight over the "generic" names used to refer to people: pronouns
it's just obfuscated to be about gender
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@lain yeah. i forgot to add to the previous post that i think the idea that it belongs to you is relatively novel.
i like it in the context of the internet (screennames), but i think there are bad interactions: you own your name + you have one "real" name: you are entitled to dictate how others refer to you.
somehow normies and SJWs manage to create the worst of both worlds
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@PostingHellbound i think this also leads to a lot of anguish in cases when people want to 'change' names, because they think changing names means getting a different entry in a government database, which immediately makes it a power struggle.
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@lain yeah. moreover, i've read speculation that a lot of the drama about labels exists because there is a background assumption of a a godlike state that provides the ontology
(and my own speculation is that it kind of seems like that is exactly what current year education is meant to get people used to, up to and including college)
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@lain more specifically, it came up in the context of mental health. since access to treatment is controlled by state-licensed doctors, FDA, shit like that, there is a lot of incentive to a) think in terms of what authority to petition and how b) get adversarial and try to get sorted into the category that is useful towards getting the desired treatment or whatever
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@PostingHellbound yes, i completely agree with that. as soon as you have to have an 'identity' to get access to resources, the game is on.
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@lain “nooo you must have a family name our forms mandate it!”
“ugh fine i’ll just add Baker/Carpenter because that’s what i’ll do”
*centuries later*
“wow the kid didn’t take on their dad’s last name what a weirdo time to insinuate all things about their family”
the damage goes far beyond the ability to do things that directly interface with the state
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@cell @lain “nooo you must have a family name our forms mandate it!”
“i live in the middle of my field so i'll call myself tanaka :DDDD”
"genius move, tarou"
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